#aaronpkeven twitter didn't start out with a good design and they quickly iterated and have a very scalable system now
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#melvstertantek: The way the Web spread was a piece at a time. So you could take html without taking http. So the failure of NEXT was a lesson, don’t try to sell it all at one time. Sell each piece on its own merits. Never insist that everybody take all. They will take all the pieces once they see how it fits together.
#tantekagreed - and yet, you now see people advocating "LDP all the things!"
#tantekthe "piece at a time" is key, and what Tim also said was interoperability with what already exists (is deployed, in use, etc.)
#melvstertantek: LDP is just standardizing PUT for data in a file like way ... it's very close to the web already, and just scratching an itch for those that wanted to use data
#melvsterLDP is the ultimate example of iterative work
#tantekmelvster - the specs don't make that clear at all
#melvstertantek: yeah, you know how specs are ... design by committee
#melvsterjust take UNIX file system and webize it, webdav is too complex just allow simple reading of writing to files and directories
#tantekin contrast, indieweb building blocks really *are* simple, one page-ish specs each, each one has its own "Why" and "How"
#tantekand they build upon each other incrementally, each bit gives you a useful capabilities/features
#melvstertantek: i rejected the semantic web originally because of this, i found the specs too much work to get through, but when i finally set aside time to read them, I realized they were much simpler than I thought, and I was hooked
#melvstertantek: yes this is good, but you also need some of the features that give the web scale
#tantekyes I've pretty much given up on "specs too much work to get through" because it doesn't matter if I (one person) implement something, it matters if dozens, hundreds of people can
#melvstermany systems build incrementally, most systems in the enterprise, for example, build incrementally, but many become monolithic
#melvstertantek: i think you're right, that's why I try and show people through demos, rather than, specs now, then people can ask "how did you did that"
#tantekmelvster, most systems in enterprise are overbloated day 1
#melvsterbut understanding that helps to interoperate
#melvsterthe nature of the name is that it's hierarchical so can operate as a namespace
#melvsternot just on the web, it's used this way in, for example, java libraries
#melvsterwhat helped me understand this was when I learnt the web was designed to be like a piece of paper, the paper doesnt care about what is written on it
#AnnBLynn is working (with others) on Open Value Networks
#LynnOpen Value Networks are one form of "next economy" economic form. One example is Sensorica in Montreal, Canada - http://www.sensorica.co/. They produce open source hardware and operate as a network of peer to peer producers.