#social 2016-05-17

2016-05-17 UTC
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Loqi don't forget to backfill the #social logs
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Loqi Countdown set by aaronpk on 5/16/16 at 1:25pm
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Loqi Aaronpk made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/2016-06-06]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=98252&oldid=98246
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Loqi Tantekelik made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/2016-05-17]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=98253&oldid=98224
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Loqi Cwebber2 made 2 edits to [[Socialwg/2016-06-06]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=98255&oldid=98252
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aaronpk good morning
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annbass hi aaronpk .. you back?
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aaronpk I am!
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aaronpk good to be home
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rhiaro I will be late or absent depending on availability of wifi..
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rhiaro Wait what time is it?
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rhiaro Are we meeting nowish?
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annbass yes
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rhiaro Timezones are hard
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annbass true
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Arnaud yes, it should be now
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Arnaud tantek seems to be late
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aaronpk maybe Loqi needs to post a reminder in here 30 minutes before
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rhiaro That wouldn't hurt
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tantek sorry still dialing :/
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rhiaro I'm on irc only on mobile 2g until further notice
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trackbot Meeting: Social Web Working Group Teleconference
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trackbot Date: 17 May 2016
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tantek present+
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aaronpk present+
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sandro present+
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ben_thatmust present+
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annbass present+
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Arnaud present+
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tantek scribenick: annbass
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tantek https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-05-10-minutes
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annbass chair: tantek
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annbass tantek: seeking approval of minutes ..
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annbass +1
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sandro +1
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tantek Zakim, who is here?
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Zakim Present: tantek, aaronpk, shevski, sandro, eprodrom, ben_thatmust, annbass, Arnaud
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Zakim On IRC I see RRSAgent, eprodrom, shepazu, annbass, shevski, tantek, jasnell, ben_thatmustbeme, KevinMarks, Loqi, Arnaud, cwebber2, bigbluehat, strugee, aaronpk, raucao, wilkie,
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annbass <ben_thatmustbeme is only on phone; new apt doesn't have internet yet>
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aaronpk +1
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eprodrom +1
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annbass s/ben_thatmustbeme is/cwebber2 is/
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tantek https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-06-06
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annbass ... upcoming F2F .. note the dates changed to Mon-Tues
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annbass ... due to flights, changed ending time on Tues to 5pm
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annbass q+
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tantek scribenick: tantek
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tantek annbass: looks like I cannot come to the meeting
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tantek annbass: not totally confirmed, but likely
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KevinMarks present+
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tantek scribenick: annbass
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annbass tantek: F2F logistics ..
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tantek https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-06-06#Participants
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annbass ... attendees should add their food preferences, arrival info, hotels, etc
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tantek zakim, who is here?
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Zakim Present: tantek, aaronpk, shevski, sandro, eprodrom, ben_thatmust, annbass, Arnaud, KevinMarks
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Zakim On IRC I see RRSAgent, eprodrom, shepazu, annbass, shevski, tantek, jasnell, ben_thatmustbeme, KevinMarks, Loqi, Arnaud, cwebber2, bigbluehat, strugee, aaronpk, raucao, wilkie,
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aaronpk sorry we will miss you ann!
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annbass (I know .. I was really looking to come; easy trip for me)
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KevinMarks I'll be remote I think
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shevski I don't think I will
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annbass tantek: asking shevski, arnaud and kevin if they're coming to F2F
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KevinMarks don't have funding fro travel at the moment
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tantek https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-06-06#Remote_Participation
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shevski me neither :-/
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annbass ... sorry to hear that kevin and shevski...
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annbass shevski -- let me know if anyone has funding to provide! (from London)
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tantek q?
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tantek ack annbass
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annbass tantek ... that's it for F2F .. everyone should add their info to planning page
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tantek topic: Webmention CR status update
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eprodrom tantek: I added an AS2.0 update
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tantek thanks eprodrom
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annbass sandro: sort of 2 agenda items
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sandro https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Webmention_CR_Transition_Request
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annbass ... A) shevski and I worked together to make transition request
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annbass ... mostly good
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aaronpk s/shevski and/aaronpk and
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annbass (oh! soory)
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annbass ... salmention ...
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sandro https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention/issues/37
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annbass ... Issue 37 on this ..
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annbass tantek: were you here (early meetings) when we talked about normative references?
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annbass sandro: not sure
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annbass ... what happened?
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annbass tantek: same question .. re: referring to external specs
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annbass ... started as mailing list discussion .. HarryHalpin took to TimBL .. had lunch discussion
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annbass ... upshot: OK to normatively reference spec, if you identify which parts are stable and which parts are under discussion
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annbass ... OK to reference "Living Specs"
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annbass ... need to give enough info so that people can figure out what to do
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tantek q?
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Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
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aaronpk q+
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Zakim sees aaronpk on the speaker queue
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annbass (wondering if tantek has a link?)
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annbass sandro: one option is to take out the ref to salmention
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annbass ... you're saying a new idea .. identify stable / not stable
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tantek ack aaronpk
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Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
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annbass aaronpk: I updated the Editor's Draft
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tantek FYI annbass https://www.w3.org/2013/09/normative-references
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annbass ... salmention is no longer a normative ref ..
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annbass ... now more explicit about updates
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aaronpk http://webmention.net/draft/#sending-webmentions-for-updated-posts
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aaronpk "If a response to the source URL is shown on the source URL page, then sender should treat that as an update of the source URL and re-send any previously sent Webmentions."
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ben_thatmustbeme http://webmention.net/draft/#updating-existing-webmentions
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annbass aaronpk: essentially changes from "it must support it" to "it may wish to support it"
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annbass ... not a "should", not even a "may"
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annbass tantek: any feedback, reactions, objections?
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sandro sandro: this looks good to me
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annbass ... OK, not hearing anything ..
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annbass ... moving on
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eprodrom This seems like the right response
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annbass sandro: can we get a formal resolution, since this is a normative change? just for the record
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annbass tantek: yes, write a proposal
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annbass aaronpk: I just added tantek's comment re: "e.g., "
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sandro PROPOSED: Publish updated Webmention WD and revise CR draft, with Salmention no longer being normative, as per current editors draft
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aaronpk +1
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sandro RESOLVED: Publish updated Webmention WD and revise CR draft, with Salmention no longer being normative, as per current editors draft
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eprodrom \o/
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annbass tantek: ok, we can go ahead with Transition Request
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annbass ... next step is phone call with the Director
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annbass sandro: typically takes ~1 week, but depends on schedules
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annbass tantek: who needs to be on that call/
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eprodrom I can be on it too
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annbass sandro: at least 1 chair, also aaronpk ..
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annbass sandro: I'll propose some times, make a doodle poll
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annbass ... have to find out who is acting as "Director" .. either Ralph or Philippe
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tantek q?
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Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
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annbass ... need to find out their schedules; should take me a day or two
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tantek topic: Activity Streams 2.0 update
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annbass (Ralph Swick and Philippe le Hegaret)
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eprodrom http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams-vocabulary/
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eprodrom http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams-core/
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annbass eprodrom: last week we cleared out most issues, but had a couple more come up
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annbass ... Editors' Drafts have been edited .. new versions out there
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eprodrom http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams-core/#activitystreams-1.0
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annbass ... new section: description of motivations re changes for moving to AS2
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annbass ... followed some suggestions by tantek for reformatting
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ben_thatmustbeme points to the bulletted list, that looks quite good
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eprodrom http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams-vocabulary/index.html#changelog
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annbass ... now have change logs on both docs
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tantek \o/ change logs!
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aaronpk 👍
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annbass ... covers major changes, not minor editorial bits
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ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom++
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Loqi eprodrom has 32 karma
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eprodrom http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams-core/#changelog
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annbass ... for both vocabulary and for core
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annbass ... hoping that suffices, without going all the way back to beginning
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annbass ... no more outstanding issues
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annbass ... would like to have this Editors Draft open for ~1 week, then go to Working Draft
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tantek q?
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Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
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annbass ... alternative, make this WD and then go straight to Candidate Rec
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annbass tantek: preferences?
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annbass ... no responses
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annbass ... therefore I'll defer to Editor
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ben_thatmustbeme Working Draft++
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tantek PROPOSED: Publish updated working drafts of Activity Streams specifications based on current Editor's Draft.
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annbass +1
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ben_thatmustbeme +1
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eprodrom +1
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aaronpk +1 both documents I assume
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eprodrom aaronpk: yes
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shevski +1
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annbass (that proposal captures eprodrom's preference, that I didn't capture in minutes above)
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sandro +1
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tantek RESOLVED: Publish updated working drafts of Activity Streams specifications based on current Editor's Draft.
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annbass tantek: thanks eprodrom!
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annbass ... hard work
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eprodrom Great news
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Arnaud sorry, what's the plan for CR?
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annbass ... one point: this is the first time I'll be publishing a WD on my own, have a few questions for sandro
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annbass tantek: goal is to get wider review, via WD .. then act accordingly
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annbass ... hopefully next week
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annbass ... if no issues are raised, then try to take this to CR
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annbass arnaud: thanks; good to have timeframe
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eprodrom Agreed!
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tantek zakim, who is here?
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Zakim Present: tantek, aaronpk, shevski, sandro, eprodrom, ben_thatmust, annbass, Arnaud, KevinMarks
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Zakim On IRC I see RRSAgent, eprodrom, shepazu, annbass, shevski, tantek, jasnell, ben_thatmustbeme, KevinMarks, Loqi, Arnaud, cwebber2, bigbluehat, strugee, aaronpk, raucao, wilkie,
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annbass tantek: social web protocols .. is rhiaro on call?
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rhiaro aaany second now
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annbass sandro: she says she's on really low bandwidth
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annbass ... she's traveling
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annbass tantek: ok .. we'll go on
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annbass ... ActivityPub? ChrisWebber?
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ben_thatmustbeme rhiaro if you do get on, we'll come back to this
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annbass cwebber2: I'm just moving house, therefore all of this is in boxes
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rhiaro okay, just installing all the google voice shiz on my laptop cos my phone won't stay connected to the wifi
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annbass ... if I recall, we requested people to review Editors Draft .. unclear
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annbass ... Let's ask people to review it this week
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tantek http://w3c-social.github.io/activitypub/
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annbass ... hope that's the correct link
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ben_thatmustbeme thats it
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annbass REQUEST: review that work, we will discuss next week if it's in good shape to publish
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annbass aaronpk: that page has January date .. is that actually the most current one?
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rhiaro present+ rhiaro
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annbass cwebber2: (only on phone; can't check right now) .. I'll check it later.. I suspect it's up-to-date, and we forgot to update the date
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rhiaro has arrived
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annbass tantek: 2 requests:
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annbass ... 1. link to XYZ
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annbass ... 2. add change log?
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aaronpk s/XYZ/editor's draft
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tantek q?
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Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
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annbass cwebber2 will send email if there is actually a different link
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annbass tantek: appears rhiaro is now on .. what's up?
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annbass rhiaro: sorry, not caught up yet .. should have updated Editor's Draft by next week
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annbass ... then have week to review
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annbass tantek: Micropub? aaronpk?
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annbass aaronpk: last draft dated May 4 .. I still have some bits to update
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annbass ... but also testing "media type", that we discussed awhile ago .. thin
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annbass ... thinking about adding that to the next Editors Draft
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aaronpk s/"media type"/"media endpoint"
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annbass ... plan to have that available by our call next week
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annbass tantek: great;
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ben_thatmustbeme nice
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annbass ... last document is mine .. haven't gotten to it
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annbass ... hoping to work on it either right before, or during F2F
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annbass ... any new agenda items?
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sandro http://doodle.com/poll/7m36c38q5rgrtgi5
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ben_thatmustbeme sandro++
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Loqi sandro has 31 karma
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annbass sandro: I made doodle poll, for chairs and aaron .. for that meeting
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ben_thatmustbeme s/7m36c38q5rgrtgi5/hidden/
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annbass ... it will be Ralph or Philippe as Director, and Wendy Seltzer as manager responsible for this work
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annbass tantek: OK, looks like the end
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tantek q?
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eprodrom tantek++
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Loqi tantek has 291 karma
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eprodrom annbass++
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Loqi annbass has 2 karma
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eprodrom Thanks everyone
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shevski thanks tantek & annbass & all (woo)
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annbass :-)
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tantek annbass++ thanks for minuting!
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Loqi annbass has 3 karma
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annbass remind me (100th time) what's the command to get the minutes?
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wseltzer annbass, rrsagent, make minutes
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annbass thanks ..
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tantek trackbot, end meeting
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trackbot is ending a teleconference.
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trackbot Zakim, list attendees
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Zakim As of this point the attendees have been tantek, aaronpk, shevski, sandro, eprodrom, ben_thatmust, annbass, Arnaud, KevinMarks, rhiaro
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annbass rrsagent, make minutes
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RRSAgent I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-social-minutes.html annbass
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wseltzer unless you're talking the social-specifics
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trackbot RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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RRSAgent I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-social-minutes.html trackbot
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trackbot RRSAgent, bye
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RRSAgent I see no action items
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tantek annbass, it's ok, trackbot takes care of telling RRSAgent to make the minutes :)
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annbass I'm always worried to not lose them
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annbass anyone have link to rhiaro's Pandocticon minutes converter?
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rhiaro pandoc.amy.gy
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rhiaro Just hit the button
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annbass oh great, you're there... thanks
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rhiaro Then hit the link to the wiki and paste
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annbass great tool!
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rhiaro There's some gumph at the bottom you might want to delete 'diagnostic output'
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ben_thatmustbeme Zakim, bye
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Zakim leaving. As of this point the attendees have been tantek, aaronpk, shevski, sandro, eprodrom, ben_thatmust, annbass, Arnaud, KevinMarks, rhiaro
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annbass OK, minutes published
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annbass BTW, whatever happened to photo taken at last F2F?
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aaronpk hmm that might be my fault for not publishing that yet
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aaronpk new webmention WD is published! https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/
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annbass cool beans, aaronpk
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