#social 2016-05-24
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# ben_thatmustbeme scribenick: ben_thatmustbeme
# ben_thatmustbeme Chair: Arnaud
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Arnaud Approval of Minutes of 2016-05-17 https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-05-17-minutes
# ben_thatmustbeme TOPIC: approval of last weeks minutes
# ben_thatmustbeme Arnaud: any objections to approving those minutes?
# ben_thatmustbeme Arnaud: hearing no objections, i'll declare them approved
# ben_thatmustbeme TOPIC: update on F2F
# ben_thatmustbeme Arnaud: we are two weeks away. again, please go to the wiki page and indicate your attendance, even if its regrets, or remote participation
# ben_thatmustbeme ... there aren't too many listed, but the chairs had a meeting and agreed that we had enough key members there
# ben_thatmustbeme ... we have updated a list of topics, but if there is anything else people wish to add, add proposals and the chairs will try to accomidate
# ben_thatmustbeme ... any immediate comments, questions, etc on the meeting?
# ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: nothing new on our end, we are all set. I added a bunch of information to the wiki page, directions, food, etc
# ben_thatmustbeme Arnaud: if there are no other questions, we can move on.
# ben_thatmustbeme ... there is a question of when the next telcon will be, next weekend is memorial day meeting
# ben_thatmustbeme ... when do we meet next
# ben_thatmustbeme sandro: I'd like to meet next week so we can hopefully get AS2 to CR
# ben_thatmustbeme rhiaro: I wanted to ask to meet next week, so i can hopefully get a new WD of SWP
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# ben_thatmustbeme Arnaud: hearing that i am proposing to keep the normal schedule next week. Any problem with that?
# eprodrom +1
# KevinMarks +1
# ben_thatmustbeme tantek: Arnaud, would you consider that if for some reason, those both fall through, we don't bother. So i'd say +1 to telcon if one of those is ready to ask the group to publish
# KevinMarks deciding when? Monday?
# KevinMarks Sunday?
# ben_thatmustbeme Arnaud: so you are specifically interested in not having the call next week?
# ben_thatmustbeme tantek: no, its a matter of being able to make other plans or not
# ben_thatmustbeme ... if we are going to have these drafts ask to be published, hopefully those drafts will be ready a few days before
# ben_thatmustbeme ... maybe that they have publish ready drafts have them ready by friday?
# ben_thatmustbeme Arnaud: and then people review them on memorial day weekend?
# ben_thatmustbeme sandro: you have a better use for a holiday ? :P
# ben_thatmustbeme tantek: I don't want to do a telcon just to rubber stamp
# ben_thatmustbeme ... its fine to do a telcon to publish, but to agree to publish, people have to have time to review
# ben_thatmustbeme Arnaud: we will have the telcon ready next week, per the regular schedule, but if the editors expect to be able to publish, they be ready by friday
# ben_thatmustbeme tantek: and then there is the one after the meeing too
# ben_thatmustbeme Arnaud: i think we can decide that at the F2F
# ben_thatmustbeme TOPIC: Webmention CR update
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Loqi @w3c :: Webmention is a W3C Candidate Recommendation (Call for Implementation) https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5439
# ben_thatmustbeme sandro: Webmention has been published as a CR
# ben_thatmustbeme multiple: congratulations
# ben_thatmustbeme Arnaud: this happend just yesterday?
# KevinMarks we did use cases and requirements, I remember
# ben_thatmustbeme sandro: the transition meeting was fairly uneventful, but for an awkward moment of us not having use-cases and requirements
# ben_thatmustbeme ... I also got some requests from people asking for notes about how it relates to trackback/pingback
# KevinMarks SWAT0 has been satisifed with webmention, which is a use case we brought in
# ben_thatmustbeme Arnaud: for those new to w3c process, we now look for implementation reports, and w3c wide review.. the key is to meet exit criteria
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tantek FYI re: webmention over trackback/pingback: https://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention-faq#Why_webmention_instead_of_pingback
# ben_thatmustbeme sandro: now is the time to drum up publicity for people who might be interested in trying it out
# ben_thatmustbeme Arnaud: we want to advertise it as much as possible and get them to provide implementation reports
# ben_thatmustbeme tantek: and feedback too
# ben_thatmustbeme ... thats part of the goal of CR, get feedback from others trying to implement it. A good spec, they should be able to implement it without talking to us, and if they can't, we should know that
# KevinMarks webmention.rocks does that
# ben_thatmustbeme sandro: here's a dogfoody idea, do we have a webmentionable page about webmention that people can webmention to?
# ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: the validator does that but doesn't hold it permanently
# ben_thatmustbeme sandro: i think that would be useful
# ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: i can make a page for that
# ben_thatmustbeme tantek: KevinMarks pointed out that we did have the use-case of swat0 and webmention does help implement SWAT0
# KevinMarks could we add a wm header to the spec? webmention.io, webmention.herokuapp.com or mention-tech would all work
# ben_thatmustbeme tantek: just like we should have informative text about pingback, etc. We could have something about swat0
# KevinMarks we have done annotations with wm and fragmentions
# ben_thatmustbeme sandro: i also got feedback from shepazu about including a different use-case
# ben_thatmustbeme Arnaud: if issues come up in CR that cause changes that would effect compliance, we would have to issue a new CR first
# ben_thatmustbeme ... in my experience its quite common, but after that point you already have multiple implementations and probably already meet the exit criteria
# ben_thatmustbeme tantek: thats my experience too, my understanding is we would still need to meet them minimum CR time (4 weeks?)
# ben_thatmustbeme sandro: one other procedural thing that came up, we saw internationalization review, but there are others which we don't have in our charter
# ben_thatmustbeme ... usually you do that before CR
# ben_thatmustbeme TOPIC: update on AS2.0
# ben_thatmustbeme tantek: one more thing to request on webmention, to exit CR, we want a complete test suite, we entered CR with a partial test suite, and thats a critical piece to complete
# ben_thatmustbeme ... i wanted to give aaronpk a chance to respond before we move on
# ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: the implementation report lists all the things to test, and i plan to add them to webmention.rocks, but there are a few things that would have to be done manually by people.
# ben_thatmustbeme tantek: do you have a rough idea of when it would be ready?
# ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: no, i can't say anything to that right now
# ben_thatmustbeme ... my hope with the stuff that i wrote up, is to help you know what it is you need to look for in receiving, if you go through that, you have to self review.
# ben_thatmustbeme ... some of those i will be able to write tests for, some I won't
# ben_thatmustbeme tantek: as long as we can document what features we have claimed implementations for but don't necessarily have tests for
# ben_thatmustbeme ... if we have features that we cannot have tests for, we should be clear about what that list is
# ben_thatmustbeme ... applies to all of our specs obviously
# ben_thatmustbeme TOPIC: update on AS2.0
# ben_thatmustbeme Arnaud: Evan, we were expecting a WD, please tell us whats up?
# ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: i just shared links for the editor's draft, but the publish of the WD is taking some time to get going, it should be up in the next 24h, if thats the case, i'll update the group via email. We don't have a WD, we probably can't discuss taking it to CR
# ben_thatmustbeme Arnaud: to clarify, is the editor's draft ready for publication? is it just a matter of publishing to the TR space?
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# ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: yes, everyone can view it in the editor's draft now. there will be minor errors or things i have to clean up, but the content will be what will go up on WD
# ben_thatmustbeme Arnaud: the expecation is that will happen before friday, and hopefully next week we can have a vote on requesting to take it to CR
# ben_thatmustbeme Arnaud: any question or comments?
# ben_thatmustbeme Topic: request for review of JF2
# KevinMarks ben: I finally have time to do updates on jf2 and i would like to share them wiht the group
# KevinMarks ben: I want to get feedback from the group
# ben_thatmustbeme TOPIC: social web protocols
# ben_thatmustbeme rhiaro: i just updated the mentioning section, i'm going to continue to update the other sections. It was more bullet points before, but now its more prose
# ben_thatmustbeme ... I'm hoping to have it up in a couple days and certainly by friday
# ben_thatmustbeme ... i also added text on how it relates to other specs
# ben_thatmustbeme Arnaud: any other questions?
# ben_thatmustbeme TOPIC: tracking of other document status
# ben_thatmustbeme Arnaud: any other updates anyone wants to give?
# ben_thatmustbeme cwebber2: I guess its a big one , but we discussed releasing a new WD of activitypub. I incorporated a few updates, but I don't think anybody raised any other issues to it
# ben_thatmustbeme cwebber2 missed the last piece of what you said
# ben_thatmustbeme tantek: ben roberts has been helping me get a github version of the post type discovery up and hopefully i'll have it ready by the F2F
# ben_thatmustbeme cwebber2: i just wanted to make sure that no one raising any issues on the call is it OK for me to publish an updated WD
# ben_thatmustbeme cwebber2: I guess what i'm asking for is an explicity vote
# ben_thatmustbeme tantek: is there a list of changes?
# ben_thatmustbeme cwebber2: pasted in chat
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# eprodrom +1
# ben_thatmustbeme Arnaud: anyone else?
# ben_thatmustbeme Arnaud: any other good news?
# ben_thatmustbeme tantek: now that you have a WD ready to publish, hows the implementation going?
# ben_thatmustbeme cwebber2: after the F2F i plan on doing a complete and independant implementation and that will be my complete focus between this and the next F2F
# ben_thatmustbeme Arnaud: anyone else?
# ben_thatmustbeme ... Any other business people would like to bring up?
# ben_thatmustbeme ... thank you all
# ben_thatmustbeme Arnaud: we'll have a meeting next week,
# ben_thatmustbeme ... see you next week
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# ben_thatmustbeme Zakim, bye
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# ben_thatmustbeme Minutes are up, https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-05-24-minutes
# tantek I've stubbed the agenda for next week, and did my best to capture those planned agenda items here: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-05-31#Discussion_Items - please edit / add as necessary if I've forgotten or left anything out
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