#social 2016-05-31

2016-05-31 UTC
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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cwebber2
rhiaro: hey cool :)
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wilkie
hello all
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aaronpk
good morning
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wilkie
I'll be in portland the night of the 9th and not before! sorry, all. new funding source means reset on vacation days. :/
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wilkie
hopefully I'll be able to demo things remotely
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rhiaro
Interested in what you're demoing wilkie! If you haven't already, add it to the proposed agenda items
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tantek
wilkie, we're clustering implementation updates (demos) by spec
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tantek
which specs are you implementing?
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rhiaro
dialling but webex is silent after the meeting number... is it just me or is there something that needs to happen which hasn't yet?
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KevinMarks
present+
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: did you happen to see my email to the list?
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KevinMarks
ah ok, we all muted
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rhiaro
It didn't even get to "enter your attendee id number" though
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ben_thatmustbeme
i can put the screaming children on again if you like
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eprodrom
ben_thatmustbeme: no
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rhiaro
guess it's me then
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rhiaro
by 'me' I mean 'the phone in sandro's office'
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ben_thatmustbeme
eprodrom: i can only make the first few minutes of the meeting, we have to close on the house very soon
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ben_thatmustbeme
wanted to ask if we can do JF2 vote first
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eprodrom
Fine here
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wilkie
I can scribe
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eprodrom
Good luck on the house thing
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eprodrom
Can't it wait till next week?
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sandro
present+
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tantek
eprodrom: it's in the agenda already
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tantek
he's just asking for a slight re-ordering
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tantek
(which seems reasonable as a one-off)
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eprodrom
tantek: I realize that
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eprodrom
It's something we'll have to decide in --- 6 minutes, it looks like?
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rhiaro
present+
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tantek
trackbot, start meeting
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trackbot
is preparing a teleconference.
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trackbot
RRSAgent, make logs public
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RRSAgent
I have made the request, trackbot
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trackbot
Zakim, this will be SOCL
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Zakim
ok, trackbot
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tantek
present+
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trackbot
Meeting: Social Web Working Group Teleconference
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trackbot
Date: 31 May 2016
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wilkie
present+
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rhiaro
present+
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dmitriz
present+
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tantek
performs his backup chair duties
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aaronpk
present+
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wilkie
I can scribe
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tantek
scribenick: wilkie
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ben_thatmustbeme
i can stay on a bit longer probably but i'll be in the car at that point
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eprodrom
uh
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wilkie
tantek: I don't hear eprodrom
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eprodrom
present+
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wilkie
tantek: one thing was ben_thatmustbeme asked for reordering the agenda to place jf2 first because he has to leave
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wilkie
eprodrom: are you chairing this meeting?
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tantek
chair: eprodrom
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wilkie
tantek: I was until you showed up
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wilkie
eprodrom: the idea is to have ben_thatmustbeme tell us what he proposes
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wilkie
ben_thatmustbeme: yes, I propose to have jf2 move to a working draft this week
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wilkie
ben_thatmustbeme: I asked for people to have a look at it for this week
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tantek
this is a FPWD (first public working draft) AFAIK
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cwebber2
present+
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wilkie
eprodrom: just quickly, has everybody read the current editor's draft?
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sandro
(haven't read this draft)
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek, yes it would be
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tantek
I have
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wilkie
eprodrom: kevin, you are co-editor, so I would hope you've read it hah
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wilkie
tantek: has it been stable for a while or has there been changes?
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Zakim
sees aaronpk on the speaker queue
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wilkie
ben_thatmustbeme: there have been minor changes. there is a note in the document to say it is meant as a note. no substantial changes.
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wilkie
eprodrom: aaronpk?
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wilkie
aaronpk: I remember that the changes made have been made based on implementations using it
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sandro
why not rec track?
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tantek
because we accepted it in December as Note-track
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wilkie
eprodrom: I haven't read the document yet. have you aaronpk?
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wilkie
aaronpk: yeah, skimmed it. and re-reading it.
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wilkie
eprodrom: so we are making this a note ben_thatmustbeme?
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wilkie
ben_thatmustbeme: yeah we agreed about this at the last f2f
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wilkie
sandro: anybody remember the reasoning for that?
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wilkie
ben_thatmustbeme: partly time constraints, and so it doesn't seem as a competitor for as2
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wilkie
sandro: that makes sense
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wilkie
sandro: the reason I ask is it is easier to start on the rec track than to switch later
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bengo
present+
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eprodrom
PROPOSED: publish current Editor's Draft of JF2 as First Public Working Draft in Note track
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wilkie
sandro: not wanting to mislead makes sense
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wilkie
eprodrom: I put up a proposal to add this working draft to the note track. does that make sense, ben_thatmustbeme?
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wilkie
ben_thatmustbeme: yeah
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eprodrom
q?
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Zakim
sees aaronpk on the speaker queue
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wilkie
eprodrom: unless there is any other discussion before we engage with this, please give your votes
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Zakim
sees no one on the speaker queue
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eprodrom
+1
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bengo
+1
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ben_thatmustbeme
+1 (obviously since i proposed it)
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eprodrom
RESOLVED: publish current Editor's Draft of JF2 as First Public Working Draft in Note track
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wilkie
eprodrom: unless we have anyone else who feels strongly about this... going once, going twice...
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sandro
q+ name?
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Zakim
sees name? on the speaker queue
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wilkie
eprodrom: going to mark this resolved [reads resolution]
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wilkie
eprodrom: so I got 12 minutes after the hour. hopefully you can make it to your closing, ben_thatmustbeme
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wilkie
eprodrom: thanks
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wilkie
sandro: before publishing we need to know what the name is going to be
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eprodrom
q- name?
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Zakim
sees no one on the speaker queue
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wilkie
sandro: we can do that later but it's easier to do it now
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wilkie
tantek: does a short name work?
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wilkie
sandro: yeah
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sandro
www.w3.org/TR/jf2
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wilkie
tantek: does jf2 work as is?
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wilkie
sandro: yeah
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wilkie
tantek: so should we say if anybody wants to propose alternatives, they can do so
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wilkie
sandro: this is kind of an odd name. it usually stands for something
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sandro
json-microformats2 ?
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wilkie
eprodrom: it is jf2 because it is mf2 with json right?
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tantek
"unify various simplified versions of the Microformats-2 representative JSON format"
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wilkie
sandro: I was thinking "json microformats 2"
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wilkie
sandro: that is, if I had never heard of jf2 before
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wilkie
eprodrom: once it has a URI it is kind of engraved in stone right?
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tantek
ok with that too
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wilkie
sandro: yeah, kind of
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wilkie
sandro: not impossible to change later, you can forward the URL
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wilkie
KevinMarks: this isn't too bad. we had some other acronyms that were much more adventurous.
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tantek
sandro does it help to allow for either? in case w3c management doesn't like our first choice?
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eprodrom
PROPOSED: publish JF2 FPWD with short name "jf2"
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sandro
+0 seems harmless
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wilkie
eprodrom: let me see if I can form a proposal... with what do you call it.. "short name"
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wilkie
eprodrom: alright that proposal is up
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tantek
+1 and also ok with sandro's proposal "json-microformats2"
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eprodrom
+1
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bengo
+1
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wilkie
eprodrom: alright. unless there are any objections, I will mark this resolved.
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KevinMarks
we had proposed JFDI but that was not wholly serious
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eprodrom
RESOLVED: publish JF2 FPWD with short name "jf2"
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wilkie
eprodrom: [reads proposal]
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sandro
action: sandro get domain lead approval for JF2
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RRSAgent
records action 1
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trackbot
Created ACTION-90 - Get domain lead approval for jf2 [on Sandro Hawke - due 2016-06-07].
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KevinMarks
ben_thatmustbeme++
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Loqi
ben_thatmustbeme has 147 karma
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wilkie
eprodrom: fantastic. thanks KevinMarks and ben. thanks for your work on the document. looking forward to seeing it live.
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wilkie
eprodrom: anything else on jf2?
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wilkie
eprodrom: alright. great. let's move on to next/first item: minutes from last week
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wilkie
TOPIC: Approval of Minutes of 05-24-2016
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eprodrom
PROPOSED: adopt https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-05-24-minutes as minutes for 24 May 2016 meeting
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wilkie
eprodrom: [reads proposal]
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eprodrom
+1
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wilkie
eprodrom: given we have overwhelming support, we'll mark this as resolved
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eprodrom
RESOLVED: adopt https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-05-24-minutes as minutes for 24 May 2016 meeting
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wilkie
eprodrom: we're going through these quickly
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annbass
present+
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wilkie
eprodrom: another item on the agenda is next week's f2f
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Zakim
sees tantek on the speaker queue
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eprodrom
ack tantek
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Zakim
sees no one on the speaker queue
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wilkie
eprodrom: I don't think there is further discussion to have about the f2f. but this is a good time to bring those up
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wilkie
tantek: we are starting to put together the specific agenda for the f2f
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wilkie
tantek: one thing sandro and I noticed to cover is implementation updates and so we put that first for monday morning
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wilkie
tantek: for the most mature/advanced specs going toward the newer/less-implemented latter in the process
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wilkie
tantek: chairs are actively putting the agenda together
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wilkie
tantek: if anybody has things they want to discuss, add them
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tantek
next Monday
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wilkie
eprodrom: all right. great. any other issues we need to discuss for next tuesday
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wilkie
eprodrom: thank you... next monday.
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tantek
we are expecting possibly 2-3 more attendees
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wilkie
eprodrom: I think our attendee list is stable. if you are on the fence or considering, get your name on there because we are planning.
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wilkie
eprodrom: if there is no other discussion on this, I'd like to move on to as2
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wilkie
TOPIC: Activity Streams 2.0
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wilkie
eprodrom: two weeks ago we decided to publish new working drafts of AS2
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tantek
(and last week we agreed also)
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wilkie
eprodrom: we have the core document (i've dropped the URL) and a vocabulary document
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wilkie
eprodrom: and they are up on the IRC channel
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wilkie
eprodrom: these are not materially different from the version we've had as an editor's draft for the past weeks
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wilkie
eprodrom: there were validation issues and small changes but nothing noticeable by anybody not a as2 validator
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tantek
(only editorial markup changes)
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wilkie
eprodrom: it has been reasonably stable
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wilkie
eprodrom: yes, editorial markup changes, thank you tantek
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wilkie
eprodrom: the question from last week was whether to move as2 to a candidate recommendation
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sandro
q+ to discuss normative references
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Zakim
sees sandro on the speaker queue
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wilkie
eprodrom: in march in the last f2f we resolved to take it to CR following correction of some outstanding issues, which have been addressed along with additional ones since the f2f
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wilkie
eprodrom: the intention was to discuss taking it to CR today
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eprodrom
ack sandro
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Zakim
sandro, you wanted to discuss normative references
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Zakim
sees no one on the speaker queue
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wilkie
sandro: one small problem that is trivial to fix is when you go to CR you have to fix up the normative references
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tantek
(editorial non-blocking)
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wilkie
sandro: we saw this with webmention
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wilkie
sandro: basically w3c wants to make sure external specs are as stable as this spec
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wilkie
sandro: when I looked at the normative references... all the ones in vocab are fine, but core had 2 normative references that looked problematic
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wilkie
sandro: but I think they are easy to solve
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wilkie
sandro: all are w3c or ietf standards except for as1 and CURIE
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tantek
can we drop CURIE?
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tantek
that seems confusing to have it referenced separately than JSON-LD
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wilkie
sandro: but where as1 and curie are used are in non-normative references or, for CURIE, to note json-ld supports them
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wilkie
sandro: I think we can just take out the CURIE reference
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tantek
as1 as informative makes sense
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sandro
+1 tantek, take out "(or CURIE's for short) [curie]."
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wilkie
eprodrom: as what we can do is make as1 an informative reference, which I think I can do
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wilkie
eprodrom: and the second is to remove reference to CURIE
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wilkie
sandro: yep
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tantek
good catches sandro
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wilkie
eprodrom: it is mentioned as an aside, so we just remove the aside and the reference to it
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wilkie
sandro: yeah
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wilkie
eprodrom: great
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wilkie
eprodrom: so those are two important issues to handle right now
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wilkie
eprodrom: my question is if we decide to go to CR today can we do so conditionally that we resolve these two
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wilkie
sandro: we can go to CR given we do the changes decided at this meeting
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wilkie
sandro: maybe there will be other issues today
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wilkie
eprodrom: absolutely
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wilkie
eprodrom: just dropping the issue links into the channel
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wilkie
eprodrom: there was one more issue that rhiaro raised a few days ago
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wilkie
eprodrom: I think it was about JSON-LD... well, rhiaro, if you are here, can you give us an overview?
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Zakim
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wilkie
rhiaro: the json-ld version on w3c is not up-to-date. we can easily fix that.
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wilkie
eprodrom: it is just an update process, but we should probably get that done.
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wilkie
eprodrom: sandro, can you follow through on that?
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wilkie
sandro: I can definitely do that
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wilkie
eprodrom: sounds good
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wilkie
eprodrom: let me know if there is anything I can do for that process
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wilkie
eprodrom: that file has been updated so it is best to use the one on github right now
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wilkie
eprodrom: I feel funny being both chair and advocate for this, but hopefully we can handle that.
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wilkie
eprodrom: if tantek wants to chair for this we can do that
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tantek
chair: tantek
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wilkie
tantek: I think you are doing great but I can do that if you want
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wilkie
annbass: eprodrom, I sent you in snail-mail some english type edits. did you receive that?
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wilkie
annbass: I didn't have a chance to read through this version.
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wilkie
annbass: I'm just looking at misspellings and words being left out, etc.
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wilkie
eprodrom: I did receive those. sorry I didn't mention those. they were all editorial changes... super helpful.
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wilkie
eprodrom: some have been changed already, some have not. I want to get the ones that haven't into github issues.
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wilkie
annbass: I leave this to your judgment. I want to know if we need to do a re-read. any before CR?
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wilkie
sandro: no. editorial changes don't need that.
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wilkie
annbass: ok. I'll make an effort to go through this version.
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wilkie
eprodrom: fantastic.
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Zakim
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Zakim
sees no one on the speaker queue
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wilkie
eprodrom: so, if there is no further discussion, I would love to propose the current working draft as CR. I forget the exact phrasing for the options we have.
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wilkie
tantek: so, we are proposing to take the current working draft with the edits agreed in this meeting to CR.
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tantek
PROPOSED: Take current WD of AS2, with edits agreed in this telcon to CR
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wilkie
tantek: and those edits include the normative references: one being made informal and one being dropped.
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wilkie
eprodrom: yes
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tantek
PROPOSED: Take current WDs of AS2, with edits agreed in this telcon to CR
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wilkie
annbass: it is both documents, right?
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wilkie
tantek: correct
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sandro
+1 both core and vocab
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wilkie
tantek: that's why I wanted to update that proposal
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bengo
+1
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cwebber2
my second +1 was to updated proposal, not stuffing ballots ;)
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tantek
zakim, who is here?
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Zakim
Present: tantek, wilkie, rhiaro, dmitriz, ben_thatmustbeme, aaronpk, eprodrom, cwebber, bengo, annbass
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Zakim
On IRC I see jasnell, bengo, dmitriz, Zakim, RRSAgent, KevinMarks2, KevinMarks, annbass, tantek, cwebber2, eprodrom, manuel, shepazu, pdurbin, rhiaro, dwhly, ben_thatmustbeme,
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Zakim
... Loqi, Arnaud, bigbluehat, strugee, aaronpk, raucao, wilkie, wseltzer, sandro, trackbot, jet, tsyesika, ElijahLynn, bitbear
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wilkie
tantek: looks we have the vast majority of people in the call which is awesome
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annbass
+1 and +1
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tantek
RESOLVED: Take current WDs of AS2, with edits agreed in this telcon to CR
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annbass
whoeee
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eprodrom
+1
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wilkie
tantek: I'm going to mark this resolved. thank you every one. congratulations to the editors.
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wilkie
sandro: we need to draft a transition request
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wilkie
tantek: right, like we did for webmention and make that call
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wilkie
tantek: I think that means, eprodrom, you can make those changes to the draft.
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wilkie
tantek: I don't think we need to republish with that
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wilkie
sandro: did you publish those changes
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wilkie
eprodrom: I did, they are lilve
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wilkie
s/lilve/live
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wilkie
eprodrom: unfortunately I have one more thing we need to discuss before we do that
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wilkie
eprodrom: at our last meeting, there was discussion about moving our github repos to the w3c organizational namespace
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wilkie
eprodrom: I'm not sure where we closed on that
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wilkie
eprodrom: as we move to CR, does that become more important?
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wilkie
eprodrom: just because the github repos are embedded in the document
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wilkie
eprodrom: if we were to do that, we should do that now before publishing a new WD
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wilkie
sandro: so. w3c has an organizational committment to preservation of info and data.
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wilkie
sandro: most w3c working groups use repos under the w3c organization and the team has set up an archiving system to archive those repos.
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wilkie
sandro: during the webmention transition call it was brought up that we aren't doing that for this group's work
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wilkie
sandro: I made an action item to look in if we can do that and the team said 'no, if you want to archive that you should move'
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wilkie
sandro: as a decentralization guy I'm inclined to say 'no!'
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wilkie
sandro: there are options but I haven't looked at them much
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wilkie
sandro: one of the tools I found written in a language that scares me and it puts the issues inside the repo which seems elegant
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wilkie
sandro: basically if one person wants to figure this out and run this either on a w3c machine or your own that you can curl when you need
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eprodrom
q+
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Zakim
sees eprodrom on the speaker queue
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wilkie
sandro: anybody want to help me with that?
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tantek
ack eprodrom
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Zakim
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wilkie
eprodrom: tantek, you are still chairing?
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wilkie
tantek: yeah
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wilkie
eprodrom: ok great. I appreciate the concept of decentralization. keeping us decentralized on the same centralized code-hosting service, I'm not committed to it.
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wilkie
eprodrom: unless jasnell has a strong objection, I'd prefer to use the w3c namespace.
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wilkie
eprodrom: github has some mechanisms for redirects when you reassign the owner of a repository
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wilkie
eprodrom: I believe it will retain the issue history, etc. they do a pretty good job of it.
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wilkie
eprodrom: I'm not proposed to it for as2
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wilkie
sandro: that's true. the movement from one editor to another editor highlights why you may want to do that
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wilkie
sandro: I don't think we should twist aaronpk's arm to do the same thing
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wilkie
tantek: eprodrom, it sounds like you have a specific proposal to make
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wilkie
eprodrom: yes, I propose we move the official repo for as2 to the w3c [github] namespace
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wilkie
tantek: can you give me a url for the proposal
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wilkie
sandro: one slight glitch on that is that I see this already exists
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rhiaro
Don't we need to go to /swwg/activitystreams?
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wilkie
sandro: seems like harry made this a year ago
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rhiaro
the other WGs have all their drafts in one sub directory I think
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wilkie
sandro: it might be hard, but maybe we can just delete the existing one and then make a new one
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wilkie
aaronpk: yeah, you just need to delete the old one first
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wilkie
sandro: ok, yeah
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wilkie
sandro: oh, rhiaro is saying it goes under the workgroup name?
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wilkie
tantek: sounds like rhiaro has a counter-proposal. can we get that in IRC
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rhiaro
Yeah I agree with the things that are a bad idea about that
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rhiaro
Just saying
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wilkie
aaronpk: that sounds like a bad idea because it seems issues get merged into a single repo
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wilkie
sandro: no, we definitely want separate repos per spec
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wilkie
aaronpk: I see a bunch of seperate specs
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wilkie
sandro: I see some repos for groups and some for specs and I think repos for working groups is a bad idea and they didn't realize it at the time
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wilkie
tantek: looks like annotations did exactly what you say is a bad idea
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wilkie
sandro: no, yeah. and I see people talking about this and they have to tag issues.. yeah
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wilkie
tantek: it's a pain
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wilkie
sandro: I think using short-names, and yeah for activity streams we merge two into one, but we can do that
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wilkie
tantek: do we use one URL for both of them... is it activitystreams or activitysteams dash vocab?
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wilkie
eprodrom: I can live with either. let's keep it under activitystreams then
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wilkie
tantek: one repo then?
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wilkie
eprodrom: yeah one repo
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wilkie
tantek: activitystreams slash vocab?? sorry, I'm looking for specifics for the minutes
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aaronpk
then merge activity-streams-core into there?
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wilkie
sandro: so I'm renaming the old repo to the new repo, right?
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aaronpk
s/-core/-vocab
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wilkie
eprodrom: and the directory structure would stay the same
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eprodrom
activitystreams-core -> core
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eprodrom
activitystreams-vocabulary -> vocabulary
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aaronpk
it looks like both specs are already in the same repo? https://github.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams
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wilkie
eprodrom: yeah, they are both already in one repo right now
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wilkie
aaronpk: we are just renaming one repo then?
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wilkie
eprodrom: yeah
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tantek
PROPOSED: move AS2 WDs repo into the w3c namespace, to https://github.com/w3c/activitystreams with the directories activitystreams-core renamed to core and activitystreams-vocabulary to vocabulary
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wilkie
tantek: eprodrom, does that match your understanding?
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wilkie
eprodrom: perfect and very specific
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eprodrom
+1
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bengo
+1
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tantek
RESOLVED: move AS2 WDs repo into the w3c namespace, to https://github.com/w3c/activitystreams with the directories activitystreams-core renamed to core and activitystreams-vocabulary to vocabulary
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wilkie
tantek: that looks good. I'm going to resolve that.
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wilkie
tantek: is that all, eprodrom?
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Zakim
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wilkie
eprodrom: we will need a proposal to publish a WD with those changes
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wilkie
tantek: from the new repo?
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wilkie
eprodrom: exactly
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tantek
ack annbass
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Zakim
sees no one on the speaker queue
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wilkie
annbass: small question for eprodrom... from the version I printed that was 40 pages... were there any significant changes to that?
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wilkie
eprodrom: no there were not
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annbass
May 17 version to May 31
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wilkie
sandro: I'm going to delete the repo harry made
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wilkie
sandro: should I talk to jasnell about the changes or what?
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wilkie
eprodrom: I'll talk to him
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tantek
PROPOSED: Publish updated AS2 WDs with the edits agreed in this telcon from its new repo https://github.com/w3c/activitystreams
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eprodrom
+1
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bengo
+1
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wilkie
tantek: ok. the proposal is to publish a new WD with the changes to the repo. when combined with earlier proposal, it is clear this is still what will become the CR.
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sandro
github says: Your repository "w3c/activitystreams" was successfully deleted.
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tantek
RESOLVED: Publish updated AS2 WDs with the edits agreed in this telcon from its new repo https://github.com/w3c/activitystreams
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aaronpk
only an owner of the w3c org will be able to move the repo to it, so you'll probably have to give sandro full permissions on james' repo
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wilkie
tantek: I think you have everything you need from the group
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eprodrom
chair: eprodrom
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wilkie
tantek: with the edits and changes, you will have the working draft the group wants to put to CR
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wilkie
eprodrom: I will take over as chair to get through the rest of the agenda
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wilkie
eprodrom: we have 2 items and I'm concerned that we don't have enough time
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wilkie
eprodrom: I would like to ask the 2 editors involved to ask if it would make sense to put these on the agenda of the f2f
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tantek
+1 to extend
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sandro
+1 to extend
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wilkie
eprodrom: or we could extend the meeting 15 minutes to address them
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tantek
(or see how quickly they can go)
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wilkie
eprodrom: so aaronpk and rhiaro?
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annbass
+1 to extend
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wilkie
aaronpk: I have a short update but I'm ok to extend
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wilkie
rhiaro: I would like to extend
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wilkie
eprodrom: barring any objections, I'm going to extend the meeting 15 minutes. continuing until 2:15
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wilkie
eprodrom: since aaronpk is giving only an update I'll put you at the end of the agenda
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wilkie
eprodrom: so, rhiaro. next up is Social Web Protocols. Could you give us an update?
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wilkie
TOPIC: Social Web Protocols
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wilkie
rhiaro: I rewrote the document. I would like to publish a new working draft. I closed many issues and I was hoping to address the rest.
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eprodrom
q?
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Zakim
sees no one on the speaker queue
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wilkie
rhiaro: annbass gave great editorial changes. I think everybody read it and had time to raise issues.
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tantek
I only skimmed it - seems like a big update
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wilkie
eprodrom: I have not had a chance to read through it fully but have skimmed it and it seems like an improvement in terms of readability.
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eprodrom
q?
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Zakim
sees no one on the speaker queue
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wilkie
eprodrom: from my point of view, it seems like there is a strong argument to going to a next working draft unless significant problems with this version.
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aaronpk
it looks like a big update, i haven't read the whole thing, but I trust amy's judgment on it
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wilkie
eprodrom: another option is to make it required reading for the f2f and propose at the f2f
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wilkie
eprodrom: I think it is a significant enough improvement to share this with the world as a WD
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tantek
I think publishing is also a good way to get more people in the group read it for the f2f :)
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wilkie
sandro: is there anything in this draft you feel would give people the wrong impression?
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wilkie
rhiaro: there are a few gaps but I have called them out and I think they're fine
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eprodrom
q?
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Zakim
sees no one on the speaker queue
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wilkie
tantek: a lot has changed since we published a draft of this. I feel there is more confusion leaving the old one there.
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wilkie
rhiaro: exactly
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wilkie
eprodrom: my question, is there any work that needs to be done before pushing this to working draft?
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wilkie
eprodrom: so it is ready, this version, for a WD?
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wilkie
rhiaro: yes
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wilkie
eprodrom: what I would like to do propose we publish the editor's draft of 31 May 2016 of Social Web Protocols as a Working Draft?
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wilkie
eprodrom: this is the 2nd WD?
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wilkie
rhiaro: yeah
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eprodrom
PROPOSAL: publish Editor's Draft 31 May 2016 of Social Web Protocols as a Working Draft
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wilkie
eprodrom: good
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wilkie
eprodrom: is that right, rhiaro?
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eprodrom
+1
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wilkie
rhiaro: yep sounds good
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eprodrom
RESOLVED: publish Editor's Draft 31 May 2016 of Social Web Protocols as a Working Draft
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wilkie
eprodrom: unless there are any objections, I'll mark this as resolved
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wilkie
eprodrom: [reads proposal]
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annbass
BTW, I thought this doc was really good, and will be really helpful as a partner to the other documents
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wilkie
eprodrom: thank you rhiaro for all the hard work. looks like a lot of effort went into it and I appreciate it.
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wilkie
eprodrom: that went a lot quicker than I thought which is good news. I'd like to move on to webmention test suite.
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wilkie
TOPIC: Webmention Test Suite
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wilkie
aaronpk: what I did was go through the implementation checklist into todo items for code to write for each
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wilkie
aaronpk: those are all open issues on the test suite itself
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wilkie
aaronpk: this process turned up editorial issues in the spec which are issues opened on the spec itself
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wilkie
aaronpk: I would appreciate anyone to chime in about those issues
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wilkie
aaronpk: on webmention.rocks right now there are two tests receiving webmentions so you can try those out
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eprodrom
q?
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Zakim
sees no one on the speaker queue
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wilkie
aaronpk: it will actually post comments on your site
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wilkie
eprodrom: great
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Zakim
sees tantek on the speaker queue
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wilkie
eprodrom: any additional comments on webmention test suite?
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wilkie
tantek: this isn't about the test suite it is about the f2f
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wilkie
eprodrom: oh cool. there is one more item on the agenda and that is document status
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rhiaro
q+ to say could we make SWP required reading for the face to face as well by the way
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Zakim
sees tantek, rhiaro on the speaker queue
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wilkie
TOPIC: Document Status
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wilkie
eprodrom: I want to touch base with cwebber2 and rhiaro about document status
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wilkie
eprodrom: I want to ask the editors of documents we haven't addressed already the meeting for a status update
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wilkie
eprodrom: this is an excellent time to do new versions before the f2f
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wilkie
eprodrom: cwebber2, update?
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tantek
rhiaro, I'm going to make an executive action, could you add a "Required Reading" to the https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-06-06 similar to previous f2f Required Reading section?
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rhiaro
tantek: sure
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wilkie
cwebber2: I just finished moving and I have not had time. and tsyesika has just started moving. so no updates.
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wilkie
eprodrom: good to know
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wilkie
eprodrom: aaronpk, any other updates on micropub?
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annbass
it's a moving plague! cwebber, tsyesika and ben_thatmustbeme ... sheesh
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KevinMarks
writing specs and moving house is a theme
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tantek
rhiaro, feel free to add latest editor's drafts of Webmention, AS2, Micropub, Activitypub to that list
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wilkie
aaronpk: I don't think anything has changed since last call. I was working on webmention stuff.
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wilkie
eprodrom: tantek, has there been any activity on post-type-discovery
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wilkie
tantek: yes, I got help from ben roberts on doing a github version of the spec and want to have a version of that for FPWD for the f2f
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Zakim
sees tantek on the speaker queue
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wilkie
eprodrom: do you think there will be a version before the f2f to make it required reading
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wilkie
tantek: what I can do is to point you to the wiki. I don't think there will be any non-editorial changes.
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cwebber2
I have to go
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cwebber2
later, everyone
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eprodrom
Thanks cwebber2
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wilkie
tantek: in particular the only piece that will be important to discuss is the algorithm so I'll point directly to that
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wilkie
eprodrom: I'm going to add this as required reading for the f2f next week
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wilkie
eprodrom: rhiaro, you took yourself off the queue, but I would like to add the latest version of Social Web Protocols to required reading too
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rhiaro
yeah I'll do it
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wilkie
tantek: I asked rhiaro to go ahead and make that section
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eprodrom
Thanks!
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wilkie
eprodrom: thank you! one less task for me!
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wilkie
eprodrom: if there is nothing else, then I would like to call on tantek.
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wilkie
tantek: the last point is for the f2f, many will be here earlier. I want to encourage you all to add arrival dates.
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wilkie
tantek: there will be opportunities to meet up before the meeting
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wilkie
I'll be there AFTER on the 9th through 12th :)
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wilkie
eprodrom: any other business before the end of the meeting?
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tantek
thanks for chairing eprodrom
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tantek
wilkie++ for minuting!
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Loqi
wilkie has 31 karma
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wilkie
eprodrom: if not, I'd like to say thanks everyone for giving more of your time. I think we used it well. I'd like to call the meeting to a close. thanks everyone.
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eprodrom
wilkie++
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Loqi
wilkie has 32 karma
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annbass
thanks eprodrom and wilkie!
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wilkie
eprodrom++
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Loqi
eprodrom has 33 karma
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tantek
zakim, who is here?
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Zakim
Present: tantek, wilkie, rhiaro, dmitriz, ben_thatmustbeme, aaronpk, eprodrom, cwebber, bengo, annbass
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Zakim
On IRC I see Lloyd_Fassett, rrika, jasnell, dmitriz, Zakim, RRSAgent, KevinMarks2, KevinMarks, annbass, tantek, cwebber2, manuel, shepazu, pdurbin, rhiaro, dwhly, ben_thatmustbeme,
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Zakim
... Loqi, Arnaud, bigbluehat, strugee, aaronpk, raucao, wilkie, wseltzer, sandro, trackbot, jet, tsyesika, ElijahLynn, bitbear
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tantek
will do the trackbot thing
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tantek
trackbot, end meeting
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trackbot
is ending a teleconference.
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trackbot
Zakim, list attendees
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Zakim
As of this point the attendees have been tantek, wilkie, rhiaro, dmitriz, ben_thatmustbeme, aaronpk, eprodrom, cwebber, bengo, annbass
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trackbot
RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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RRSAgent
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/31-social-minutes.html trackbot
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trackbot
RRSAgent, bye
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RRSAgent
ACTION: sandro get domain lead approval for JF2 [1]
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rhiaro
For some reason one of the words i find hardest to spell right is 'activity'. This is unfortunate.
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wilkie
the most unfortunate thing I had to really work on when I was teaching Java at university was spelling public correctly
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wilkie
I have no idea why my brain would constantly slip up on that L
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Zakim
excuses himself; his presence no longer seems to be needed
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tantek
notices a distinct lack of f2f wiki edits.
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tantek
FYI I noticed this https://www.w3.org/2016/04/blockchain-workshop/ specifically: "Identity systems, including privacy, security, and confidentiality factors" and "Decentralized processing, computing, and storage infrastructure" seem like they might overlap with some of our use-cases
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tantek
deadlines for submissions is 3 June 2016
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tantek
(this Friday)
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