#social 2016-06-28

2016-06-28 UTC
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tantek good morning #social!
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tantek coming up in a few minutes: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-06-28
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trackbot Meeting: Social Web Working Group Teleconference
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trackbot Date: 28 June 2016
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sandro present+
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tantek is dialing. delayed by Hangouts oddly
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cwebber2 hi
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aaronpk is the audio dropping periodically for anyone else? or is that my wifi?
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annbass scribenick: annbass
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cwebber2 aaronpk, seems fine for the minute I've been in
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aaronpk calling back in..
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tantek zakim, who is here?
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Zakim Present: sandro, annbass, tantek, akuckartz, rhiaro, aaronpk, cwebber, bengo
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Zakim ... dwhly, bigbluehat, bitbear, ElijahLynn, tsyesika, Loqi, strugee, aaronpk, wseltzer, sandro, trackbot
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Zakim On IRC I see bengo, akuckartz, Zakim, RRSAgent, KevinMarks2, annbass, tantek, jasnell_, Arnaud, jet, cwebber2, KevinMarks, ben_thatmustbeme, rrika, rhiaro, wilkie, raucao, pdurbin,
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annbass chair: tantek
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annbass approval of minutes from F2F and last week's meeting
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tantek https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-06-07-minutes
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annbass F2F was 6-6 and 6-7, but first day minutes were already approved
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annbass this vote is for 6-7
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annbass tantek clarifying when resolved to take micropub to CR
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annbass aaronpk: we did that last week
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rhiaro We checked the mintues but we basically just screwed up the wording of the proposal
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aaronpk that wasn't me
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annbass <discussion and clarification>
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aaronpk ugh having more audio issues. trying again.
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annbass oh .. sorry.. if not aaronpk, then who?
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annbass tantek: any other questions or issues?
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rhiaro +1
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annbass vote to approve ..
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KevinMarks +!
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KevinMarks +1 even
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annbass hehe
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annbass minutes approved
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annbass next: minutes from 6/21 meeting...
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annbass (last week)
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tantek https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-06-21-minutes
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rhiaro just made agenda update
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annbass minutes approved
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rhiaro .. everyone please refresh
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tantek next: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-06-28#Discussion_Items
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annbass Topics: AS2 and Micropub transitions
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annbass sandro: people are slow...
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annbass ... I need to send transition request emails out tomorrow morning at latest
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annbass tantek: wou ld it help if we tracked the outstanding items?
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annbass sandro: not sure that'd help
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annbass ... no actions for group;
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annbass ... aaronpk, hold off on formatting if you can and please respond promptly if I ping you in next few hours
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annbass tantek: for the record, seeking publication date of 7/7 or 7/12
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annbass ... ok, the date is pending;
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annbass ... waiting for some info from Evan (who sent regrets for today)
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annbass Topic: JS2 and Post Type Discovery
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annbass ... short names approved and publication request approved
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annbass ... editors need to process HTML output into proper location
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annbass ... (manual process)
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annbass sandro: helpful if it could be done today
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tantek zakim, who is here?
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Zakim Present: sandro, annbass, tantek, akuckartz, rhiaro, aaronpk, cwebber, bengo, tsyesika, !
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Zakim On IRC I see shepazu, bengo, akuckartz, Zakim, RRSAgent, KevinMarks2, annbass, tantek, jasnell_, Arnaud, jet, cwebber2, KevinMarks, ben_thatmustbeme, rrika, rhiaro, wilkie, raucao,
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Zakim ... pdurbin, dwhly, bigbluehat, bitbear, ElijahLynn, tsyesika, Loqi, strugee, aaronpk, wseltzer, sandro, trackbot
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annbass tantek: I can do that for Post Type Discovery
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annbass ... is Ben Roberts (benthatmustbeme) here?
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annbass ... no
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annbass ... for JS2
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rhiaro s/JS2/jf2
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annbass ... let's aim for 7/30 publication date
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ben_thatmustbeme can hear only, conference room is ocupied,
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ben_thatmustbeme just got on
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tantek s/7/6
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annbass ... date should be 6/30
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ben_thatmustbeme annbass probably just escapte the / as \/ s/7\/30/6\/30/
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annbass thanks
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annbass tantek: asking ben what needs to be done
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ben_thatmustbeme okay, i have them passing tests, its just i need to finish up one minor piece
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ben_thatmustbeme and yes, today I should be able to do that
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annbass tantek:; OK, thanks
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ben_thatmustbeme present+
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tantek Topic: Follow up on AS2 closed issues labelled 'waiting for commenter'
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rhiaro https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Addressing_Issues#ActivityStreams_2.0
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annbass rhiaro gets massive kudos for contacting all commenters!
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bengo rhiaro++
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Loqi rhiaro has 208 karma
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annbass rhiaro++
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Loqi rhiaro has 209 karma
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annbass rhiaro: contacted everyone via email; gave them a deadline of today
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annbass ... bunch of no replies; those are presumed to be time-outs
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annbass ... dret (Erik Wilde) had one hesitation
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annbass ... wonders if we should give a little more time
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annbass sandro: technically one week left
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annbass rhiaro: could use help finding email address for 3 people she couldn't find
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KevinMarks if only you could webmention them
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annbass sandro: issue 284 ... <that person> didn't actually raise the issue, KevinMarks did
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KevinMarks I'll have a look
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KevinMarks I copied it in
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annbass tantek: (clarifying) .. external comment, that KevinMarks brought into github?
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annbass <yes>
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annbass <discussion about who gets contacted when there's discussion on github... opinions that is definitely not a reliable way for people to be informed>
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ben_thatmustbeme rhiaro, annando is pretty active on github, but we can try in #friendica on freenode to see if anyone has contact info there
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annbass KevinMarks: I'll try to get in contact with <that person>
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KevinMarks Cathal Garvey
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rhiaro @ cathalgarvey
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annbass thanks
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KevinMarks hm, quitter.no is down
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annbass sandro: just found email for one of them .. will send to rhiaro
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rhiaro https://github.com/w3c/activitystreams/issues/288 bengo
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annbass rhiaro: next issue .. <something> .. jasnell and Evan aren't here today .. need their inputs
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annbass bengo: explains
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annbass (would be helpful if bengo could put a small summary in IRC)
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annbass tantek: sounds like an editorial fix ... true?
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annbass bengo: yes
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annbass tantek: functionality was already there, but not adequately described .. this improves understanding
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bengo It explicitly lists the 'id' property as being allowed on Link object in core.
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annbass ... asks sandro if we can make editorial fixes after CR
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annbass sandro: yes, we can
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annbass tantek: <clarifying timing on when the fix is made, and when it will show up>
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annbass ... if it's not a normative change, group can choose to make the change before CR
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annbass ... asks rhiaro if she has opinion / ditto Ben
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annbass rhiaro: don't care
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annbass ben_thatmustbeme: see if we can make change before CR
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annbass is that right, Ben?
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ben_thatmustbeme no
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tantek PROPOSED: Accept editorial change from bengo to AS2 in pull request https://github.com/w3c/activitystreams/pull/329 pending spec editor approval with the intent of making this fix for CR.
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annbass sheesh ..
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ben_thatmustbeme thats bengo that is talking now
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bengo :)
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annbass oh .. sorry
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ben_thatmustbeme s/ben_thatmustbeme/bengo/
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annbass thanks
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rhiaro bengo++ for PR
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Loqi bengo has 16 karma
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annbass tantek: resolved
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tantek RESOLVED: Accept editorial change from bengo to AS2 in pull request https://github.com/w3c/activitystreams/pull/329 pending spec editor approval with the intent of making this fix for CR.
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annbass rhiaro: 2 issues raised by dret (Erik Wilde)
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annbass ... one closed
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rhiaro https://github.com/w3c/activitystreams/issues/53
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annbass ... the other is an editorial change, but it's significant
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annbass ... he notes he has not seen a good explanation of why this change shouldn't be made
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annbass ... but he'll approve if the group has decided not to do it
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annbass tantek: requires addition of non-trivial text?
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annbass rhiaro: yes, I might be over-thinking it, but it's about how media type is explained
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annbass ... would be really helpful if dret could join the call and explain more
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annbass sandro: given that the tight timing, and IF it is only editorial, then we could do that after CR
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akuckartz I do not think it is only editorial
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annbass rhiaro: I understand it's only editorial, but there are a lot of threads, so need to clarify
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annbass annbass: could dret propose some new language?
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annbass sandro: problem is, we don't have time
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annbass tantek: asking akuckartz for clarification
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annbass <sorry, I can't hear him>
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rhiaro since you're here akuckartz did you manage to get to https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-socialweb/2016Jun/0080.html or are you letting us time those out?
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annbass turned up my speaker
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annbass akuckartz: I think this is important, but I don't want to hold up CR process
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ben_thatmustbeme i think it COULD be resolved as editorial
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ben_thatmustbeme or as non-editorial
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annbass tantek: we can still proceed .. but, if you end up thinking this is a serious implementation issue, you can block it .. then we would resolve the issue and can work toward a new CR
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annbass akuckartz: that's OK with me
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annbass tantek: resolve per this conversation, this is OK with akuckartz and dret .. and if they decide later this is significant, we will work to resolve and issue a new CR
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rhiaro My wifi dropped, reconnecting to everything
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annbass tantek: notes that any objectors can file a new issue, which we can link back to this discussion
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sandro fwiw, reading over the issue, it looks editorial to me. Dret doesnt want to use profile.
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annbass tantek: clarifying this is true for anyone and all issues ..
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annbass <waiting for rhiaro to get reconnected>
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ben_thatmustbeme i didn't hear her rejoin
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sandro ( in https://github.com/w3c/activitystreams/issues/53#issuecomment-62921081 he says, ""that would be against the intention of the profile parameter)
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rhiaro Argh
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tantek Topic: Authentication/Authorization decisions
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cwebber2 I raised it
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annbass tantek: we'll proceed and then get back to AS2 when rhiaro reconnects
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rhiaro keeps dropping sorry
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sandro we're not hearing Chris
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ben_thatmustbeme cwebber2 we cannot hear you
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sandro tantek, agenda+ Horizontal Reviews
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annbass cwebber2: I raised this issue bcuz I was implementing ActivityPub .. realized this was a hole .. we originally said this was out-of-scope, but then I worried re: what this will really mean for implementers
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annbass ... various options IndieAuth or OAuth or ...
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annbass ... do we need more specificity?
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tantek s/or OAuth/as one possible way of doing OAuth2 with bearer tokens
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tantek q?
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KevinMarks micropub uses indieauth; webmention doesn't need auth
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rhiaro aaand back
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annbass ... I don't understand details of some of the proposed solutions; need more info; seems like a hole and not sure what to do
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ben_thatmustbeme annbass if you want i can take over minuting
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annbass tantek: for context: last time this question was asked ..
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annbass oK, would be great
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ben_thatmustbeme scribenick: ben_thatmustbeme
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: back at f2f at MIT we came to an agreement that we would refer to oauth 2 with barer tokens and we would leave it at that
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ben_thatmustbeme sorry, was switching scribes so we can get more in
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: a reasonable summary from cwebber is that that is insufficient
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ben_thatmustbeme cwebber2: thats issues 1
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tantek s/insufficient/insufficient to achieve interoperability
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ben_thatmustbeme ... issue 2 is, for micropub we list indieauth as a SHOULD (i think)
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tantek q?
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ben_thatmustbeme ... is that okay for the group?
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bengo IMO it's good for these specs to say "The Server should explain it's authorization requirements via WWW-Authenticate response header" https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6750#section-3
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tantek ack aaronpk
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: the reason that we decided oauth2 with barer tokens is acceptable is because it lets us avoid complicating these issues and these calls
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ben_thatmustbeme ... in stark contrast to oauth 1 with ties requests to authentication
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ben_thatmustbeme ... if you forget everything you know about oauth1, 2.0 becomes much easier
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ben_thatmustbeme ... the important part is that it describes how to get a token. if both of these specs accept tokens, we don't really care how you get that token
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ben_thatmustbeme ... as cwebber2 found, there are not really great solutions for that in desktop apps and hardward devices, they can still use the spec, but they just need a token in some way
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cwebber2 that's helpful, thanks aaronpk
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cwebber2 yep
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ben_thatmustbeme ... there isn't a good industry standard on that, so the best way for that is to just say 'use barer tokens' and it can be anything, oath2, indieauth, etc.
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KevinMarks a lot of oauth2 is documenting possible ways to get tokens
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: it sounds like, you are saying that one way to get a token is indieauth, that sounds like an informative note rather than normative
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cwebber2 I think right now micropub says "SHOULD" on indieauth
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rhiaro Me too re: hardcoding/copypasting tokens
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: i will say that some of my implementations do not use indieauth, i just copy and paste, and thats a perfectly acceptable method
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cwebber2 but I suspect it can be easily changed
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tantek q?
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: i think this avoids any issue of the stability of indieauth
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aaronpk https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/#authorization
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ben_thatmustbeme sandro: basically i agree, at some ponit somebody will come along with a better way to do authentication (i hope)
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ben_thatmustbeme sandro: will the specs need to be rewritten or not? i think the answer is not.
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ben_thatmustbeme ... its a little bit frustrating when implementing, but thats reality
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: it sounds like the state of the industry is messy no matter what we say
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tantek q?
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bengo http://openid.net/developers/specs/
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ben_thatmustbeme bengo: as far as the state of the industry is messy, in the last year or two there has been a lot of acceptance of oauth2. they have had a lot of implementations from <lists a bunch>
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tantek q?
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cwebber2 bengo, I've been looking at openid connect, I guess I got a bit overwhelmed because it looked like "layer on top of oauth 2". If you have a resource that's like "here's how to implement a bunch and *ignore* a lot of the huge set of options" would help me feel less overwhelmed :)
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ben_thatmustbeme ... oauth2 barer tokens is compatable with that. saying "use barer tokens" is pretty generic, and it lets you use any string at all really
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cwebber2 interesting
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tantek ack aaronpk
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cwebber2 I'm ok with requireing a response that's informative
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ben_thatmustbeme ... it could be a little more useful to have an error header to give hints on what is needed for getting that token
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: oauth2 does have a header response for when a request requires a token. I agree the server needs a way to say they need a token. The token is opaque, and it is good that way. its up to the server and client to negotiate that. you don't need that in the spec because thats an implementation detail
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ben_thatmustbeme ... its just saying, the client willg et a string, the client should not try to interpret that string
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tantek q?
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: cwebber2 you originally raised this, is this enough for you to follow up?
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ben_thatmustbeme cwebber2: i think so, i certainly feel like anything useful that could be said on this call has already been said and i can get more info and work on an issue for that
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: its probably good to record an issue to them to clarify
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: anything else for that item?
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ben_thatmustbeme cwebber2: no
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tantek q?
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tantek topic: https://github.com/aaronpk/Micropub/issues/29
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annbass ben .. you wanna continue?
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek did we want to go back to rhiaro?
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rhiaro I'm done, thanks ben_thatmustbeme
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ben_thatmustbeme annbass i'm good
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annbass cool beans
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rhiaro ... unless akuckartz wants to follow up on his issues 85 & 86
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: the person wants to only have a media endpoint
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ben_thatmustbeme ... is this something we should do now or something we can do in CR
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ben_thatmustbeme sandro: we should do it now, as its not editorial right?
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: it changes the conformance section
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: the request is to make it optional?
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: yes, make the direct uploads optional if there is a media endpoint
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ben_thatmustbeme sandro: only if there is a media server
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: your options are to make it optional, or mark it at risk and dropping it in CR
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ben_thatmustbeme ... have you thought about this enough to put forth a specific proposal
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ben_thatmustbeme ... you can mark it optional AND at risk as well
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: the text that would need to change is in the conformance classes section which is .... actually now i'm not seeing that there.
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ben_thatmustbeme ... shoot ... (talks to self a little)
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ben_thatmustbeme sandro: technically we could wait until next week to solve this, even if we get it staged and approval, we could change it
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ben_thatmustbeme ... send an email to the list as soon as you have some clarity to what you want to do here
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: even better, if you are able to follow up with a PR that the person is ok with, that makes it clear we processed the issue before CR
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: are there any at risk features in the current draft?
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: i don't think so, the update and delete we implemented
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: we had only one more explicity item
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: i just wanted to drop links in
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ben_thatmustbeme sandro: you probably all saw a bunch of emails about getting replies from other groups
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ben_thatmustbeme ... two groups replied saying they don't have much time, but there was a response with the security and privacy self review
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: there was another for internationalization
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ben_thatmustbeme <ben_thatmustbeme> i remember looking over the internationalization one before, i think we discussed some time ago
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: sandro, can you make sure the issues get filed for these
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tantek q?
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ben_thatmustbeme ... the response from the other groups was to get these questionaires filled out
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ben_thatmustbeme ... they may cause changes later
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: thanks everyone, next week, usual time, chair will be evan
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annbass ben .. you want to make the minutes and copy them out there, or shall I?
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aaronpk fyi I did a talk at open source bridge last week summarizing the work this group is doing
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/2016/06/22/1/osbridge
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aaronpk my slides: http://slides.aaronparecki.com/2016/osbridge-w3c-socialwg
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aaronpk and video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u2Knp8P9eY
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annbass that'll be interesting, aaronpk, thanks
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aaronpk feel free to use the slides for your own presentations later!
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aaronpk and hopefully i accurately represented things here!
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ben_thatmustbeme trackbot, end meeting
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trackbot Zakim, list attendees
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Zakim As of this point the attendees have been sandro, annbass, tantek, akuckartz, rhiaro, aaronpk, cwebber, bengo, tsyesika, !, ben_thatmustbeme
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trackbot RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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RRSAgent I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/28-social-minutes.html trackbot
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trackbot RRSAgent, bye
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RRSAgent I see no action items
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tantek sees ben_thatmustbeme is angling to apply to be a chair ;)
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ben_thatmustbeme Zakim, bye
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Zakim leaving. As of this point the attendees have been sandro, annbass, tantek, akuckartz, rhiaro, aaronpk, cwebber, bengo, tsyesika, !, ben_thatmustbeme
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ben_thatmustbeme haha, tantek, don't you have to be a full member for that?
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annbass for which?
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: you do not. chairs are chosen by w3c team
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tantek usually among members, but sometimes invited experts too
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annbass I'm a chair of another group, Ben, and I'm not a member
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annbass as Tantek says, you must be nominated and approved
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ben_thatmustbeme ahh
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ben_thatmustbeme annbass: just generated https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-06-28-minutes
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: is loqi still not informing of wiki edits in here
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ben_thatmustbeme thought it would be in by now
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rhiaro A coulpe of days ago I got a 24 hour lag on loqi posting a wiki edit here
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: for some reason it started grouping them and after like 24 hours
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ben_thatmustbeme weird
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aaronpk yeah, haven't looked into it
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aaronpk weird, i think they added some caching
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aaronpk this is the URL Loqi is fetching https://www.w3.org/wiki/api.php?action=query&format=json&list=recentchanges&rcprop=timestamp|title|ids|comment|user&rcdir=newer&rclimit=50&rcstart=20160626115724
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aaronpk in my browser i get results, but it's empty when I run it from Loqi's server
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: its not caching, curl does the same
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aaronpk huh, it's not even user agent sniffing
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ben_thatmustbeme nope, wget fetches it fine, curl does not
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ben_thatmustbeme so some other header
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aaronpk well if you can figure out the header i'll add it to Loqi
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: change the |'s to %7C
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aaronpk haha whoa
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aaronpk done. should pick it up in 4 minutes
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ben_thatmustbeme i spent FAR too long on that
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aaronpk thx :)
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ben_thatmustbeme yay
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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ben_thatmustbeme rhiaro: i wonder if people might have an issue with the fact that you just published their emails publicly on the archives?
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ben_thatmustbeme s/emails/email addresses/
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rhiaro you mean the mail archives?
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ben_thatmustbeme yes
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ben_thatmustbeme i wonder if that should really be considered a bug actually. if you send to the mailing list it asks you to confirm that it can publish your email address and content, but if you sent to someone it publishes their email address publicly.... unless they both happen to have agreed to it already
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ben_thatmustbeme sandro, just waiting on pubrules to come back up. barring any other fixes anyone spots
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, it looks like i have to take out the link to bengo.is which is down right now
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sandro If bengo.is is only down temporarily, we can tell them to make an exception.
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ben_thatmustbeme it was up just a few days ago, so i'm assuming temporary
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ben_thatmustbeme since its ben's homepage, i'm pretty sure thats the case
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sandro we should actually get him to confirm it... or take it out.
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ben_thatmustbeme agreed, i was hoping he would be on, but i figure we have some time until i can actually verify that all the pubrules pass
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sandro ben_thatmustbeme, turns out we can't publish this week.
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