#social 2016-10-11

2016-10-11 UTC
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csarven
Bern, CH?
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azaroth
Heh, email would be quicker
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csarven
notifications, fetches the annotations from their location, and then embeds/injects them into the document (as an aside).
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csarven
In dokieli-annotation.webm the user has the option to store their annotation (which ends up being the canonical copy) into their personal storage. When oa:annotationService is detected, it has the option to send a copy to that container as well. A notification is sent to the article's inbox (using an as:Announce snippet) with references to the canonical location. When the article is loaded, dokieli looks into article's inbox to find all applicable
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azaroth
csarven: Sent the slides.
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csarven
Other possibly interesting bits here are: WebID, personal storage space, an annotation service, an inbox.. and they can all be potentially at different domains. In the screencast, WebID and the personal storage space are on different domains, inbox and annotationService are on the same domain but running different software.
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azaroth
Nice!
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azaroth
The LDN notifications acting like a virtual aggregator of the annotations by reference, rather than by copying them.
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azaroth
Have you looked at what happens when there's hundreds of annotations on the same document?
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csarven
One of the first issues I've hit was when each domain with an annotation required authentication. The beautiful cert pop-up per domain. That was annoying. But, that was resolved on the server end (in Solid in this case).
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csarven
Async requests for each annotation is pretty much a must.
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csarven
LDN notifications can be anything so they can be reference or a copy. The way I use them is by reference but I can see that they can just contain the complete data. In ActivityPub for instance, LDN Inbox gets a copy from an AP (same as in its Outbox)
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csarven
I think what we need to explore more of is ldp:constrainedBy and SHACL, and having applications capable of detecting the constaint models and preparing their payloads as such. And servers validating the incoming payload so that they can better filter and organise the notifications.
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azaroth
In the absence of hard core SHACL descriptions, just a JSON-LD profile URI associated with a frame would be a good start :)
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azaroth
Gregg is pushing to start work on JSON-LD 1.1, which could move a lot of things forwards
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rhiaro
just a heads up I might be a few minutes late today whilst I relocate to a cafe with less background noise
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sandro
looks to see if we have lots of votes still scheduled for today.
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sandro
Hm, why isn't AP -> CR on the agenda. Did I miss some delay?
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aaronpk
dunno, but evan sent regrets
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cwebber2
I just put it on
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rhiaro
Next week is vote week :)
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cwebber2
we'll talk in-meeting, but I got more feedback than I could handle, and then a hard drive crash :(
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cwebber2
I mean, lots of feedback is good!
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rhiaro
hard drive crash is not good
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cwebber2
obviously my hard drive crashed under the weight of all the feedback????!
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cwebber2
anyway.
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rhiaro
If I'm late to meeting, feel free to start agenda with cwebber2
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sandro
*nod*
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aaronpk
fyi i'm going to have to leave promptly at the end of the hour
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ben_thatmustbeme
I am sick in bed
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rhiaro
I'll be on time to meeting, but with coffeeshop background noise. Not sure how bad it'll be. Probably okay.
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rhiaro
(it's in 11 minutes right? Timezones..)
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cwebber2
rhiaro: yup
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rhiaro
Cool, I'm in the same timezone as you cwebber2
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rhiaro
But even that's confusing :)
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csarven
I dislike dialing numbers to connect to people - I have to either dig up a webpage for the codes or hunt down an email about it. Next to that is finding someone's email address to message them. Why is life so difficult?
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cwebber2
rhiaro: oh cool, where are you?
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rhiaro
"Computer, hail Social WG"
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rhiaro
cwebber2: Austin
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cwebber2
pleasantly my phone also decided this week that it didn't need to have a working microphone
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cwebber2
dials in with morgan's phone
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cwebber2
technology!
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cwebber2
also, I've been noticing that every phone I get dies faster than the previous one.
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aaronpk
is also at a coffee shop but plans to blame rhiaro for any background noise that sounds like coffee shops
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ben_thatmustbeme
goes back to bed
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ben_thatmustbeme
is very sicky
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cwebber2
present+ cwebber2
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csarven
present+
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cwebber2
ahhh it's quite loud :)
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annbass
present+
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aaronpk
someone do the trackbot dance
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csarven
I could play hipstersound.com through my speakers and we can have a coffee-shop background noise party
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rhiaro
trackbot, start meeting
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trackbot
is preparing a teleconference.
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ben_thatmustbeme
lol csarven++
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trackbot
RRSAgent, make logs public
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RRSAgent
I have made the request, trackbot
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trackbot
Zakim, this will be SOCL
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Zakim
ok, trackbot
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trackbot
Meeting: Social Web Working Group Teleconference
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trackbot
Date: 11 October 2016
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cwebber2
did it just go quiet from muting?
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cwebber2
or did it just go quiet for me
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cwebber2
ok cool.
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aaronpk
present+
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csarven
present+
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cwebber2
present+
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rhiaro
present+
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cwebber2
yeah i heard that, thanks aaronpk
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bengo
present+
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cwebber2
I can scribe assuming I can continue to hear
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cwebber2
scribenick: cwebber2
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rhiaro
uhhh okay now who is volunteering to chair? ;)
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cwebber2
rhiaro? ;)
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cwebber2
can staff contacts chair?
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aaronpk
pretty sure tantek is planning on making it to this call, he updated the schedule yesterday and everything
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rhiaro
yeah I thought so
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sandro
dialing
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annbass
I don't seem to be able to dial in ... you guys still in silence?
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aaronpk
hears typing noises
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cwebber2
blames texans!
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csarven
blames electricity
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csarven
or was it gravity?
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rhiaro
is going to try a spot with fewer people but more cars
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sandro
present+
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KevinMarks
I'm at a conference so am irc only
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cwebber2
rhiaro appears to now be a robot
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sandro
rhiaro, very very bad network artifacts
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rhiaro
Did anyone else hear me?
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sandro
pretty sure you're unintelligible to everyone
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aaronpk
rhiaro you sound like a robot
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csarven
or is it a robot that sounds like rhiaro?
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rhiaro
oops back in a sec
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csarven
do androids dream of electric sheep?
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sandro
do androids dream of activity streams?
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cwebber2
do electric sheep federate over http?
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KevinMarks
Google's bot likes electric sheep
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rhiaro
is back inside, will stay muted and try to keep it breif
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cwebber2
sandro: I guess I can try to chair a quick meeting
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sandro
chair: sandro
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cwebber2
is indeed scribing
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annbass
cwebber2++
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Loqi
cwebber2 has 74 karma
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cwebber2
sandro: let's skip the administrivia. the one thing I'm seeing... we're delaying the CR transition votes on LDN and AP a week for a variety of reasons mentioned in the agenda. Anything anyone has to say about those?
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cwebber2
rhiaro: we're basically waiting for review from a few people who said they would, we got the i18n review, they're going to confirm they're happy with the changes, and we have one security issue with is 43. we think we don't need to do anything but need to run it by the group
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cwebber2
sandro: that's the same one basically as the webmention behind the firewall?
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cwebber2
rhiaro: yes, and the person said "if this is acceptable then that's fine, you should just mention it in the security considerations section". I don't know if we need to say it twice
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cwebber2
sandro: where did you end up on the firwall thing aaronpk ?
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cwebber2
aaronpk: yes there's a section
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cwebber2
rhiaro: did you have it in security considerations as well?
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cwebber2
aaronpk: let me check
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] Webmention
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cwebber2
aaronpk: I think it's just in the security considerations section, here's the link
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cwebber2
rhiaro: yes I think we can put it in security considerations. But security considerations is non-normative right?
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cwebber2
sandro: they normally would be, because they're keeping people informed
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cwebber2
rhiaro: is that the right thing to do for this issue?
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cwebber2
sandro: iiuc you're not telling anyone to do anything, with exception of localhost?
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cwebber2
rhiaro: yes, says you should not send it on localhost
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cwebber2
sandro: so I guess security considerations is normative in that case, which I think is ok?
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cwebber2
sandro: it doesn't say it's not normative...
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cwebber2
rhiaro: I can look at refactoring into the security considerations section, that would be helpful, maybe aaronpk can say something?
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cwebber2
sandro: anything else about LDN, rhiaro ?
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cwebber2
rhiaro: I think that's it right now... just request that everyone gives it one final read-through next week
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cwebber2
rhiaro: it's not hugely changed, just editorial pretty much
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cwebber2
sandro: you wanted authorization to publish a new WD of social web protocols?
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cwebber2
rhiaro: yes, that's right, there's some substantial changes esp re: LDN
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cwebber2
rhiaro: second paragraph of that section
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cwebber2
is pretty sure there's a circus behind rhiaro
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rhiaro
lol this music is... varied
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rhiaro
PROPOSAL: Publish new WD of SWP
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tantek
present+
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tantek
apologies
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tantek
Zakim, who is here?
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Zakim
Present: aaronpk, csarven, cwebber, rhiaro, bengo, sandro, tantek
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Zakim
... cwebber2, ben_thatmustbeme, jet, aaronpk, Loqi, rrika, csarven, rhiaro, wseltzer, sandro, trackbot
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Zakim
On IRC I see tantek, KevinMarks, Zakim, RRSAgent, annbass, bengo, akuckartz, jasnell, timbl, pdurbin, raucao, wilkie, bigbluehat, KjetilK, bitbear, dwhly, ElijahLynn, strugee,
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tantek
has to drop off IRC
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rhiaro
RESOLVED: Publish new WD of SWP
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bengo
+1
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cwebber2
can someone scribe?
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rhiaro
scribenick: rhiaro
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sandro
scribe: cwebber2
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sandro
scribe: sandro
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annbass
+1 on SWP item
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sandro
cwebber2: I got a lot of feedback, working on it
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annbass
sorry; got a call
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sandro
.. including i18n
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sandro
.. also had a hard drive cache
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aaronpk
s/cache/crash
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Zakim
sees rhiaro on the speaker queue
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rhiaro
q+ to ask for new WD of LDN as well
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sandro
.. next week should be okay
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sandro
.. so security feedback yet
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sandro
.. is that good news?
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sandro
sandro: are you making changes?
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sandro
cwebber2: just editorial, in change log
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sandro
cwebber2: some comments are questions about why things are done
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sandro
sandro: when is a good time to re-read it?
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sandro
cwebber2: now seems fine, but I guess you could wait for the weekend
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sandro
sandro: any other comments/questions?
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sandro
tantek: That sounds good!
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sandro
tantek: Can you capture the feedback & issues raised elsewhere in github, so we can see how ti's processed and handled, and to give us evidence of wide review for W3C process
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sandro
tant: not just for "hey why did you do it this way"
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sandro
s/just//
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sandro
cwebber2: I talk to people giving feedback about making them public, and I'm using a public wiki page, more than issues for those.
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sandro
sandro: link?
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sandro
cwebber2: that's just a little bit of it, so far
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sandro
cwebber2: please read it soon! Before Monday at least.
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cwebber2
scribenick: cwebber2
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sandro
topic: new draft of LDN
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cwebber2
sandro: Amy asked for new WD of LDN?
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cwebber2
rhiaro: yes, we'd like to get that out asap for the changes done
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rhiaro
PROPOSAL: Publish new WD of LDN
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cwebber2
<cwebber2> +1
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bengo
+!1
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csarven
Fine you get my vote
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bengo
+1
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rhiaro
Noting that csarven did all the work
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rhiaro
RESOLVED: Publish new WD of LDN
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cwebber2
csarven++
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cwebber2
rhiaro++
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cwebber2
sandro: next on agenda is tracking document status
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cwebber2
... gonna throw this open, anyone got something to discuss?
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cwebber2
sandro: I think I heard half of a tantek but couldn't quite make it out
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cwebber2
tantek: I'm coming through authoring <?????>
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cwebber2
sandro: not a good week for telecommunications!
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rhiaro
sandro is it worth us talking about timing of publications, or leave that til next week?
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annbass
seems like it ...
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cwebber2
sandro: I'm inclined to say we're done for today unless someone has something they can communicate?
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cwebber2
tantek: I can hear you sandro
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cwebber2
sandro: try counting to 10
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aaronpk
hahaha
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rhiaro
missed 2, 3 and 4
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Loqi
hahaha
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cwebber2
tantek: 1 2 5 6 7 8 9 10
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aaronpk
1..2..5..
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annbass
great test
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csarven
I heard 1,2,5, Q, vvv 10
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aaronpk
missed 6 and 9
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rhiaro
missed 9 that time
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aaronpk
i like this test
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tantek
on IRC now
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cwebber2
tantek: missing 6 and 9
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annbass
barely
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cwebber2
tantek: I'm going to try... on irc... did any of that come through
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cwebber2
tantek: at the face to face we stated that we'd be trying to keep pushing CR specs to PR and I want to keep asking those questions of those CR specs if we have editors for them
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cwebber2
whew, got that!
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rhiaro
jasnell is in irc
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cwebber2
sandro: we have aaronpk, not james or evan
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cwebber2
tantek: from now till we run out of telcons we should try to check all the items
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cwebber2
... so we can do a transition call
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jasnell
I'm on irc, not on the call
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annbass
bong, bing, bon
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sandro
--- missing all this ---
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jasnell
if there's something that needs my attention please just mention me here
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annbass
sorry; I'm gonna drop off ..
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aaronpk
tantek is gone
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cwebber2
sandro: I didn't hear that but got the gist that you want to do the CR to PR part of the agenda
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tantek
jasnell, we need you or Evan on a telcon for handling AS2 CR to PR next steps
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sandro
thanks jasnell -- the question is how AS2 is doing on the test suite completeness and test results
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cwebber2
sandro: I just asked in IRC ^^^
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tantek
jasnell, can you schedule your time for a future telcon?
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cwebber2
sandro: and for aaronpk, did anything change for the face to face?
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jasnell
I don't know what the current status of the test suite is. I can schedule time for next weeks call
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tantek
jasnell, thank you, appreciated.
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sandro
that'd be great, jasnell,
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cwebber2
aaronpk: webmention, did a couple of updates to the report indicating more clearly the test coverage results... otherwise, not much changed, and on micropub I've been continuing to work on adding tests and collecting implementation reports now. Hoping by next week to have all that wrapped up.
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tantek
jasnell, in short, be prepared to answer / work on the following questions for next week for AS2: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-10-11#CR_to_PR_next_steps
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cwebber2
sandro: any other plans?
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tantek
is hearing a bunch of background noise
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cwebber2
aaronpk: no (?)
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tantek
someone garbled talking the background
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cwebber2
sandro: are these features you implemented
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cwebber2
aaronpk: not implemented by me
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cwebber2
sandro: would it be harmful to remove them?
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tantek
aaronpk, are these at-risk features?
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tantek
aaronpk - is that sound in your background?
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cwebber2
aaronpk: no, it would be helpful to indicate that we added some on on our own (???) and one about CSRF(?) protection
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tantek
the noise is very high-pitched/human-voice-like and makes it hard to hear the other conversations
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cwebber2
aaronpk: the CSRF one says that if only the endpoint accepts auth, and then it's a SHOULD to (???)
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cwebber2
aaronpk: come to think of it, one thing that could be done is figure out who does it
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cwebber2
sandro: some people are doing authenticated webmention?
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cwebber2
aaronpk: I'm not sure. I know my endpoint did by default, but when that happens the framework just does this automatically
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tantek
is that implementation guidance re: form captured in the document?
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cwebber2
sandro: ok, thinking about if someone is actually doing this would help
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cwebber2
tantek: that would be good to capture... especially the CSRF implementation, is that something everyone doing a web form to webmentions has to support?
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cwebber2
aaronpk: only if your form happens to also have session cookies
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cwebber2
aaronpk: if they get a session cookie after they log in, the browser submits the session cookie along with the form...
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cwebber2
tantek: so they should be or not?
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cwebber2
aaronpk: if you do support session cookies, then if your endpoint handles that session cookie it should also do csrf protection(???)
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cwebber2
tantek: I feel like we've seen otehr examples of sites doing this
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cwebber2
... could you research it?
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cwebber2
aaronpk: yes ok
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cwebber2
aaronpk: I guess if I implement this, does that count as a second implementation?
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cwebber2
sandro: technically yes
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tantek
I'm thinking maybe adactio.com posts have a form like that (and https and session cookies), and https://kylewm.com/ as well
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cwebber2
... you still need one other person to implement it
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cwebber2
aaronpk: I'll share this spreadsheet again, but every webmention endpoint has at least one other implementer.
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cwebber2
sandro: ok how is micropub doing it?
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cwebber2
aaronpk: micropub test suite is making progress
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tantek
what about "periodically re-verified"? (back on webmention when you have a moment)
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] Micropub
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cwebber2
... so there's a giant list of micropub features
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cwebber2
... which I'm working on adding to a report
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cwebber2
... as well as tests
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cwebber2
sandro: sounds good
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cwebber2
... at this point you don't know how good the coverage is?
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cwebber2
aaronpk: right
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cwebber2
tantek: did you talk about the periodic reverification in webmention?
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cwebber2
aaronpk: with that one, there's one implementation of it, but I'm not aware anyone else is doing it
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cwebber2
... so I guess my plan is same as that
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cwebber2
... try to track down everyone doing it, if not, I can implement
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cwebber2
tantek: is this MAY or SHOULD in the spec?
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cwebber2
sandro: I think that wouldn't stop us?
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cwebber2
... certainly nice to have it documented that it's used but
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cwebber2
tantek: definitely not strictly required. from the webmention test results, maybe push the MAY to the bottom of the list or something, to clearly indicate those are tests for MAY in the spec
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cwebber2
... that's good, but we need to make sure we call it out.
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cwebber2
... it's good implementation feedback.
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cwebber2
... then I didn't hear sandro, did you ask if there are other normative issues open in webmention?
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cwebber2
sandro: didn't ask
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cwebber2
tantek: are there any aaronpk?
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cwebber2
aaronpk: no new ones, in fact only one still open is waiting for commenter
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cwebber2
tantek: that's fine
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cwebber2
... do you kinwo if we can use github open/closed issues sandro ?
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cwebber2
sandro: as long as you tag them...
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cwebber2
... you can summarize counts, etc.
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cwebber2
tantek: we already covered the feature coverage?
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cwebber2
aaronpk: I believe there's still a few things in the spec not directly tested in the test suite, but are based on input
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cwebber2
tantek: ok, those are sugar(?) must requirements?
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cwebber2
aaronpk: yes some are
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cwebber2
tantek: you might want to call those out in the test results since they're self-reported rather than from test ssuite
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cwebber2
... in case anyone wants to drill down on thsose
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cwebber2
sandro: tantek want to chair now?
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cwebber2
tantek: sure.
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cwebber2
... aaronpk, if that's something you can call out, that would be useful to group them as self-reported as opposed to from tests
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cwebber2
aaronpk: can do
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cwebber2
tantek: if there's any specific question on those we can dig into them as needed
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cwebber2
... sandro, it sounds like webmention is close?
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cwebber2
sandro: yep
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cwebber2
tantek: ok, magbe we get another spec ready, then go forward? shoudl we chunk them?
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cwebber2
sandro: yes would like to chunk as much as possible
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cwebber2
tantek: I tend to agree, the AC tends to prefer to have as few votes as possible
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cwebber2
... especially those who are grouped by related, etc
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cwebber2
... that's all I had
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Zakim
sees rhiaro on the speaker queue
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rhiaro
q+ to ask sandro about the process for publishing notes
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cwebber2
... sounds like with tweaks to implementation reports aaronpk produced, we should be able to take to PR... right sandro ?
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cwebber2
sandro: yep
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cwebber2
tantek: ok good
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cwebber2
notes rhiaro is on q
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rhiaro
rhiaro's q is not urgent
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cwebber2
tantek: are there any normative issues on that aaronpk?
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rhiaro
only if there's time
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cwebber2
aaronpk: only that this one, about what's the process for extending
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cwebber2
... everything else is resolved
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tantek
(aside: at the f2f we scheduled 90 min for this telcon - forgot to remind folks of that earlier)
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Zakim
sees rhiaro on the speaker queue
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tantek
rhiaro was that for webmention or micropub?
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cwebber2
tantek: this one, given the challenges we've done with how to do extensibility, we should make sure it's clear
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cwebber2
... especially since it's for looking at how to do things external from the working group, which is exactly where we're likely to see requests from. if there can be some good instructions... it could be informative, as long as the mechanism works
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cwebber2
... sandro what do you think?
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cwebber2
sandro: I didn't follow what it was
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cwebber2
tantek: if there's an extensibility point in micropub for mp-instructions by the endpoint instead of content of the post, they're specified in micropub as mp-syndicate2, there's a comment about how people can add more
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cwebber2
... sounds like request outside the working group is on how group might create new one
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aaronpk
s/syndicate2/syndicate-to
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cwebber2
... I wanted to draw point to how we can point to how we did it for as2
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cwebber2
sandro: I think the right to thing is to say there's some relatively informal group... should it be the same group as as2, or someone else?
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cwebber2
... I don't know if it's the same people or not... I lean towards them being the same but I don't know
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cwebber2
aaronpk: there's also the microformats process which is relatively self-governing
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cwebber2
... should we put it in a wiki or a new place?
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cwebber2
tantek: do you mean the process for vocabulary that h-entry has, for exmaple?
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cwebber2
aaronpk: yes we've been working on formalizing that
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cwebber2
tantek: yes there's another way to address it to say there's an external place to say people can file issues
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cwebber2
... not sure that's been done in an external w3c group before...
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cwebber2
sandro: I don't think that's been done, could be a bit of an uphill battle, but might be worth getting working
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cwebber2
... might have been done in some other context
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cwebber2
tantek: I think if you can point to a process on how to do things for the mp-* extensions, could be good to say here's a lightweight process on how to formalize/make official
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cwebber2
... ok that was the one issue
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cwebber2
aaronpk: only other question I had on MP is, I believe there will be less changes that there may need to be a new CR?
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cwebber2
... what's the process there
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cwebber2
tantek: if that's the case, do you have an ED with a ? to go to CR?
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] Micropub
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cwebber2
aaronpk: yes, ^^^^
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tantek
s/?/changes section
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cwebber2
aaronpk: a lot is changes to examples
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cwebber2
... image alt-text is completely new, requires changes to implementations
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ben_thatmustbeme
I sort of wish W3C had a process of noting "references" in the bottom of specs automatically, thus any future Notes / Specs would be listed automatically. This could inclcude community group published docs which then becomes a location for public extensions that is actually still under w3c control
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cwebber2
tantek: could you ??? these changes in the normative and editorial section
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cwebber2
aaronpk: sure
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tantek
s/???/cluster
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cwebber2
scribing as best he can :)
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sandro
ben_thatmustbeme, absolutely. They coukld even use WebMention
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cwebber2
sandro: aaronpk did you say you have to leave top of the hour?
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cwebber2
aaronpk: yes, I will work on those after this next meeting
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cwebber2
tantek: do we want a proposal to go to CR pending those changes?
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cwebber2
tantek: publish a new cr
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cwebber2
sandro: are they normative?
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cwebber2
aaronpk: there's at least one
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cwebber2
sandro: normative changes technically need a new transition call
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cwebber2
tantek: can be done by email?
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cwebber2
sandro: maybe, needs director approval
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cwebber2
tantek: we need to agree as a group first though right?
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cwebber2
sandro: yes but be clear that's the only one we want to do
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cwebber2
tantek: yes we need to see how much time we have to be in CR... I think we talked about htis at the f2f and we had changes pending, looks like aaronpk made those changes
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cwebber2
aaronpk: that's the only change I'm expecting based on feedback
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cwebber2
... that issue was from the i18n group.
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cwebber2
tantek: we should put proposal forward, then sandro and I can see about process after
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cwebber2
sandro: sure, one reason I'm slightly hesitant is it seems like that vocab issue is something to address too
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cwebber2
aaronpk: the extensibility issue?
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cwebber2
sandro: yes it's not exactly normative, but...
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rhiaro
Not normative, but important
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cwebber2
sandro: the spec says, what do you do if you don't know how to handle them?
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cwebber2
aaronpk: just ignore them, says spec
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cwebber2
sandro: it's pretyt important for the community... it's not normative for current implementations, but is normative for extensions. ah yes, here's why it's normative. If I make an extension foo, and then I see foo, is it my foo vs someone else's? we don't know unless we all agree we're participating in the same registry of extensions
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cwebber2
... so it is normative, to make sure all participants are in same registry. does that make sense?
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cwebber2
tantek: right now there's no official mechanism right?
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ben_thatmustbeme
can we leave formalized extensions to future W3C WGs? Isn't that basically what the standard that has always been until recently?
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cwebber2
aaronpk: essentially it's namespaces by micropub
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cwebber2
... there's no official mechanism
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cwebber2
sandro: that's technically an answer but not good for the community
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cwebber2
tantek: yeah it's technically ok
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cwebber2
... we can say if you want to extend it, say here's some guidance
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cwebber2
... I think as long as core spec is conservative, it's ok
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cwebber2
cwebber2: I'm not sure... if it's conservative, it seems contrained?
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cwebber2
... to just the core spec?
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cwebber2
tantek: as2 has a way with activities, because we knew from day 1 there are lots of different servers and etc
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ben_thatmustbeme
Community Group for extensions?
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cwebber2
... ??? between clients and servers ??? much more restrictive
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tantek
PROPOSAL: Publish an updated CR of Micropub with the normative change in response to i18n issue raised during first CR, and editorial changes too.
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cwebber2
sandro: most of extensibility in micropub is extending microformats not micropub
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cwebber2
+0 since I'm not totally clear on what this namespaces mechanism resolved to, but I'm a-ok with new CR
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rhiaro
+0 same as chris
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tantek
cwebber2, rhiaro can you add comments to https://github.com/w3c/Micropub/issues/33 so we make sure capture and handle your concerns?
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cwebber2
cwebber2: tantek, sure
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tantek
Zakim, who is here?
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Zakim
Present: aaronpk, csarven, cwebber, rhiaro, bengo, sandro, tantek, !1
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Zakim
... ben_thatmustbeme, jet, aaronpk, Loqi, rrika, csarven, rhiaro, wseltzer, sandro, trackbot
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Zakim
On IRC I see shepazu, jasnell_, KevinMarks, tantek, timbl, Zakim, RRSAgent, bengo, pdurbin, raucao, wilkie, bigbluehat, KjetilK, bitbear, dwhly, ElijahLynn, strugee, cwebber2,
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bigbluehat
is only lurking in IRC
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tantek
got disconnected
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sandro
coming back? or shall we resolve and adjourn?
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tantek
is back
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cwebber2
rhiaro: I just raised an issue to see if this is non-normative or normative
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tantek
rhiaro raises a good point
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cwebber2
sandro: yeah I think I'd take that out of the note
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tantek
I agree with sandro
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cwebber2
rhiaro: I got the impression you could ??? it in the spec
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tantek
wow everyone has background noise lol
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cwebber2
sandro: I'm sure people can read it different ways but..
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cwebber2
can't hear anything :\
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cwebber2
tantek: afaict the change for 62 should be at CR
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rhiaro
yeah that's a normative change in case people were skimming over the green blocks before
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cwebber2
... I agree with what rhiaro just said on irc
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cwebber2
sandro: in the cs class
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cwebber2
... for respec, that's an editorial note
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rhiaro
I think it's just class="note"
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cwebber2
... or is it some other note?
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cwebber2
tantek: yes that's still informative
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tantek
PROPOSAL: Publish an updated CR of Micropub with the normative change in response to i18n issue raised during first CR, and resolving issue 62, and editorial changes too.
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csarven
has to run.. catch you folks later.
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rhiaro
aaronpk: and check that doesn't crop up anywhere else too I guess
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cwebber2
cwebber2: +0 same as before
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tantek
RESOLVED: Publish an updated CR of Micropub with the normative change in response to i18n issue raised during first CR, and resolving issue 62, and editorial changes too.
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cwebber2
tantek: are there any things here that affect implementations?
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cwebber2
has to get off the call
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cwebber2
could someone scribe?
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ben_thatmustbeme
do we need a WD first?
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ben_thatmustbeme
as a seperate vote?
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cwebber2
disconnected, sorry all
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rhiaro
scribenick: rhiaro
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rhiaro
tantek: ben_thatmustbe, no we don't need a new WD
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rhiaro
... aaronpk confirmed these normative changes do affect implementations, so we need to ask for a new CR period
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rhiaro
... sandro and I will do that
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rhiaro
... We have a test suite now, what is the coverage?
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rhiaro
aaronk: I am missing tests for media endpoint and querying
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rhiaro
... and nothing explicitly testing access tokens
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rhiaro
... test coverage here ^
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rhiaro
... a list of features and tests
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rhiaro
tantek: when do you think you'll have feature coverage?
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rhiaro
aaronpk: definitely by next week
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rhiaro
tantek: implementation reports for micropub?
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rhiaro
aaronpk: some peolpe have started using the tool, but there's no submit report button yet
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rhiaro
... Will have by next week
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rhiaro
tantek: we can look at this again next week
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rhiaro
... I think that's it for this week
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rhiaro
... Any other document status?
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Zakim
sees rhiaro on the speaker queue
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rhiaro
... Sandro and i need to figure out how to expidite a new CR
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aaronpk
oops i typed "closes #62" in the comment, can you thumbsup this amy? https://github.com/w3c/Micropub/issues/62
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rhiaro
rhiaro: How is publishing a note different?
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rhiaro
sandro: Like publishing a WD
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rhiaro
tantek: you just change the status in the document, no transition call
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rhiaro
rhiaro: Great!
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rhiaro
has to earn her keep somehow
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aaronpk
gotta run, super late to this next meeting
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aaronpk
thanks everyone
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sandro
thanks aaronpk
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Zakim
sees rhiaro on the speaker queue
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tantek
ack rhiaro
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Zakim
rhiaro, you wanted to ask for new WD of LDN as well and to ask sandro about the process for publishing notes
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Zakim
sees no one on the speaker queue
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rhiaro
tantek: evan scheduled to chair next week, and james will be there. We can go over CR to PR for micrpub next week too.
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rhiaro
... Be good to help getting AS2 to CR
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rhiaro
... anything else?
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rhiaro
sandro: Next week we'll aslo do CR votes for LDN and AP
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rhiaro
... extra long meeting next week too?
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rhiaro
tantek: We didn't plan one
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rhiaro
<rhiaro> Sounds like we will need it..
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rhiaro
<rhiaro> Well I hope so
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rhiaro
<rhiaro> but there is CR-PR stuf ffor AS2 and mp
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rhiaro
and csarven will be in Japan, so the meeting will be at 4am :)
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rhiaro
tantek: Set aside time for 90 minutes, but we'll try to keep it to 60
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rhiaro
we'll still be jetlagged at that point, it'll be fine
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ben_thatmustbeme
is jelly of rhiaro and csarven
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rhiaro
tantek: rhiaro, add to agenda for next week for CR discussions
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rhiaro
<rhiaro> WIll do
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rhiaro
... See you next week!
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trackbot
Zakim, list attendees
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rhiaro
trackbot, end meeting
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trackbot
is ending a teleconference.
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Zakim
As of this point the attendees have been aaronpk, csarven, cwebber, rhiaro, bengo, sandro, tantek, !1, ben_thatmustbeme
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trackbot
RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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RRSAgent
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/10/11-social-minutes.html trackbot
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trackbot
RRSAgent, bye
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tantek
cwebber2++ for minuting
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Loqi
cwebber2 has 75 karma
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RRSAgent
I see no action items
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tantek
rhiaro++ for minuting
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Loqi
rhiaro has 240 karma (129 in this channel)
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tantek
aaronpk - can you post something here when you've staged the new Micropub CR?
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tantek
rhiaro - can you check with Sandro on what the process is for a second CR?
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rhiaro
on it
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tantek
if there's any chance of getting our second Micropub CR out by Thursday (transition emails done by tomorrow sometime?) that would be great. 4 weeks is a long time to wait again to go to PR.
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tantek
rhiaro - additional request (which will likely impact every other document we have) - can you find when out when is that latest that we can schedule both CR and/or PR transition requests? E.g. in December *before* the publication moratorium?
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tantek
FYI: those of you working on CR->PR for your specs, you should also consider documenting how you will accept, process, and document errata once your spec is a REC. E.g. "github issues, processed in SWICG, documented ... github wiki or w3c wiki or another page on your one-off .net domain etc."
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tantek
added follow-up items from this week
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tantek
and PubSub FPWD so we talk about it
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tantek
if you have agenda items, please add them to https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-10-18#Discussion_Items
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tantek
REMINDER: please sign-up for our F2F8 at MIT in November: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-11-17
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Loqi
Social Web WG Face to Face Meeting at MIT (F2F8)
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tantek
updates the home page
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Zakim
excuses himself; his presence no longer seems to be needed
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Loqi
yeah who invited you anyway Zakim
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tantek
ok Loqi, be nice
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tantek
gives Loqi an attitude adjustment.
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Loqi
steps on the attitude adjustment.
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tantek
figures.
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aaronpk
maybe if you start being nice to Loqi, he'll be in a better mood... just sayin'
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rhiaro
plh confirmed that new CR should be doable over email
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rhiaro
So I'll send that as soon as I'm back on wifi
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rhiaro
relocated to a vegan cat cafe, but the wifi is broken
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csarven
Can't win them all.
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rhiaro
There's also a cat on my laptop
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rhiaro
But due to the broken wifi I can't send photos
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cwebber2
hoo boy
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cwebber2
ACLU uncovers facebook / twitter / instagram selling their firehose to a company that does social media monitoring for police agencies
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strugee
cwebber2: :/
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cwebber2
it does look like it's public items on their feeds, but still.
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rhiaro
just shuffled back on her chair and ran into a cat
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csarven
Except that it is 01:00 here, so I'll remain on the sofa.
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