#social 2016-11-08

2016-11-08 UTC
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ben_thatmustbeme
Lost track of the time. I'll be a bit late
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cwebber2
I'm also going to be ~ 5min late
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eprodrom
trackbot, start meeting
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trackbot
is preparing a teleconference.
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trackbot
RRSAgent, make logs public
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RRSAgent
I have made the request, trackbot
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trackbot
Zakim, this will be SOCL
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Zakim
ok, trackbot
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trackbot
Meeting: Social Web Working Group Teleconference
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trackbot
Date: 08 November 2016
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annbass
present+
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eprodrom
Can someone scribe?
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rhiaro
present+
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Loqi
rhiaro: tantek left you a message 6 days, 18 hours ago: do you know how we (chairs / staff) can make blog posts here: https://www.w3.org/blog/ (as other WG chairs (including non-W3C-team people) seem to be able to) ?
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aaronpk
present+
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tsyesika
present+
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eprodrom
present+
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rhiaro
hey tsyesika!
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sandro
present+
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Loqi
sandro: tantek left you a message 6 days, 18 hours ago: do you know how we (chairs / staff) can make blog posts here: https://www.w3.org/blog/ (as other WG chairs (including non-W3C-team people) seem to be able to) ?
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tsyesika
hey rhiaro
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rhiaro
Zakim, pick a victim
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Zakim
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose aaronpk
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eprodrom
Scribe?
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sandro
scribe: sandro
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sandro
RRSAgent, pointer?
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eprodrom
Zakim, who's here?
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Zakim
Present: annbass, rhiaro, aaronpk, tsyesika, eprodrom, sandro
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Zakim
On IRC I see RRSAgent, eprodrom, tsyesika, annbass, jasnell, strugee, KjetilK_, sandro, ben_thatmustbeme, wseltzer, oshepherd, cwebber2, wilkie, raucao, csarven, pdurbin,
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Zakim
... bigbluehat, bitbear, dwhly, ElijahLynn, jet, aaronpk, Loqi, rrika, rhiaro, trackbot
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sandro
chair: Evan
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eprodrom
PROPOSED: accept https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-11-01-minutes as minutes for Nov 1 2016 telecon
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eprodrom
+1
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eprodrom
RESOLVED: accept https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-11-01-minutes as minutes for Nov 1 2016 telecon
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Loqi
Social Web WG Face to Face Meeting at MIT (F2F8)
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sandro
evan: Reminder: Face-to-Face meeting next week, in the Boston area
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Loqi
Social Web WG Face to Face Meeting at MIT (F2F8)
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sandro
eprodrom: Media wiki tables are a challenge, but we can do it!
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Zakim
sees rhiaro on the speaker queue
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eprodrom
ack rhiaro
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Zakim
sees no one on the speaker queue
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annbass
very bummed I cannot be there
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sandro
rhiaro: telecon tuesday or cancel it?
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sandro
eprodrom: I'll be in transit
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sandro
eprodrom: Anyone who thinks we should have a telecon Tuesday?
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eprodrom
PROPOSED: cancel Tuesday Nov 15 2016 telecon
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eprodrom
+1
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eprodrom
RESOLVED: cancel Tuesday Nov 15 2016 telecon
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sandro
eprodrom: dinner?
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rhiaro
I will lead everyone to Veggie Galaxy unless overridden by someone else
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aaronpk
rhiaro++
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Loqi
rhiaro has 136 karma in this channel (247 overall)
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sandro
.. it'd be good, but let's figure it out later
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ben_thatmustbeme
regrets+ julien
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sandro
VeggieGalaxy++
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Loqi
veggiegalaxy has 1 karma
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sandro
topic: AS2 issue-312
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sandro
eprodrom: Must every AS2 object have a name? Complicated
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sandro
.. I think re resolved to have a fallback name property
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cwebber2
dialing in
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sandro
w/ re / we /
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sandro
eprodrom: right now we have a SHOULD requirement for .name of every Activty, Collection, Image, Person, etc
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sandro
.. question was raised -- for some objects, like a Collection, the name fields forced
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cwebber2
present+
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sandro
.. Sometimes it doesn't seem like there should be a name
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sandro
.. a Page of a Collection
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sandro
.. the counter argument: there will be many consumers that will want to present activities that they might not understand, or be able to render in any specific way, so it'd be nice to have something like name to fallback on
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sandro
.. esp with extension types, or obscure types
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sandro
.. Problem with doing that: some consumers may want to have customized presentation, and they wouldn't be able to tell which names were really specific to that object (eg my name) vs a generated name like (eg Unnamed Person)
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sandro
.. so the resolution is to have a fallback name required, and an option name would be allowed.
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sandro
.. fbname might be "a person", name "evan prodromou"
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tantek
present+
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tantek
here if you need me to take over chairing Evan
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sandro
.. Why is this on the agenda?
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Zakim
sees rhiaro on the speaker queue
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sandro
rhiaro: I put it on the agenda, because I didn't think we'd decided what the names were going to be.
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sandro
.. If we're making a normative change, we need to extend CR
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sandro
.. and I'm implementing and need to know what to do
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ben_thatmustbeme
would we need a fallbackNameMap?
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sandro
eprodrom: Yeah, I don't think we'd picked the final properties
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sandro
rhiaro: biggest thing is if we're going to make a normative change -- which seems unavoidable -- if we make .name the required property, or if a we add another required property that's also normative ...
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tantek
q+ to note that IIRC at the f2f we decided to drop the SHOULD for name, which should not affect any conformant implementations. the fallbackname did not have consensus
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Zakim
sees rhiaro, tantek on the speaker queue
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sandro
eprodrom: If we use name as the mostly-required (SHOULD) and add an optional "title"
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tantek
oh please no "title" in addition that will confuse everything
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sandro
.. that minimizes the normative impact
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sandro
rhiaro: It'd need to be MUST to be a reliable fallback
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cwebber2
no MUST
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tantek
BTW such a "fallbackname" is kind of a brand new feature and having never been incubated is not really appropriate to add during CR
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cwebber2
tantek: it's not a new feature
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sandro
eprodrom: I see that point, but we've had it as a should for so long, and it's serving that same role
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cwebber2
tantek, this used to be two separate fields
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cwebber2
tantek, and then they were combined
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sandro
rhiaro: Okay, so we're relying on developers taking the SHOULD very seriously
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cwebber2
tantek, and now we've realized that's a mistake
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sandro
eprodrom: Well, that's how it's been used
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tantek
cwebber2, ok, in that case ok with "at risk"
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cwebber2
tantek, granted, "fallbackName" is a new *term*
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cwebber2
since it used to be displayName iirc
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Zakim
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Zakim
sees tantek, cwebber on the speaker queue
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sandro
eprodrom: Making it a MUST would be hardening that requirement, which seems unneeded
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eprodrom
ack tantek
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Zakim
tantek, you wanted to note that IIRC at the f2f we decided to drop the SHOULD for name, which should not affect any conformant implementations. the fallbackname did not have
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Zakim
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Zakim
sees cwebber on the speaker queue
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Zakim
... consensus
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sandro
tantek: What I recall from F2F, with one objection, was the drop the SHOULD from .name
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sandro
.. having a fallback name, people were open to that, editor was supposed to provide proposal
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sandro
.. regarding fallback name, Chris and I spoke, and I'd be okay adding something at-risk
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sandro
cwebber2: So, I'm looking at the notes
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rhiaro
That way of thinking about it makes it sound almost like it's a non-normative change, that's what I was looking for :)
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cwebber2
RESOLUTION: Return distinction between "user entered or otherwise significant name" and "text fallback" and shift SHOULD from meaningful name to text fallback.
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tantek
yay citationd
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tantek
s/citationd/citations
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sandro
.. I think that was a good resolution
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tantek
is loading it
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sandro
so what to call them?
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sandro
s/so/.. so/
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tantek
ugh, the whole reason we renamed to "name" was because others using "meaningful name" were using that
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sandro
cwebber2: main motive is avoid a new CR --- so make name be the fallback
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rhiaro
I agree with everything cwebber2 is saying
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sandro
cwebber2: But I like the name as the meaningful name
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sandro
sandro: if it's an extension, then it doesn't need a new CR
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sandro
cwebber2: I think this is core
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rhiaro
It's only like 4 weeks, right
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sandro
tantek: I'd like another CR to do this
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rhiaro
It's not so bad :p
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rhiaro
AS2 is for life, not just for the charter period.
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sandro
eprodrom: Yeah. My feeling here is ... the spec is forever, so let's try to do the right thing for the long term.
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annbass
+1 on 'doing right thing'!
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sandro
.. let's not have our short-term scheduling issue be the problem.
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tantek
q+ to note that I did propose a way to potentially avoid a second CR at the f2f
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Zakim
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sandro
eprodrom: so let's have .name be the meaningful name, and something else .depiction? as the fallback
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sandro
cwebber2: how about .displayName ?
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sandro
.. or .fallbackName
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tantek
I can live with fallbackname
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sandro
+1 fallbackName
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tantek
however I have a counterproposal for avoiding a 2nd CR (I think)
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sandro
eprodrom: I like fallbackName
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sandro
.. sounds a bit like tempInteger but I see the point
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cwebber2
(gensym) for lispers? ;)
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tantek
(that I made at the f2f)
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Zakim
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eprodrom
q?
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Zakim
sees cwebber, tantek on the speaker queue
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eprodrom
ack cwebber2
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Zakim
sees cwebber, tantek on the speaker queue
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ben_thatmustbeme
q+ to ask about SHOULD / MUST of fallbackName
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Zakim
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eprodrom
ack cwebber
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Zakim
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cwebber2
yeah I'm done
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eprodrom
ack tantek
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Zakim
tantek, you wanted to note that I did propose a way to potentially avoid a second CR at the f2f
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Zakim
sees ben_thatmustbeme on the speaker queue
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Zakim
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sandro
q+ to ask if you need fallbackName when there's a name
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sandro
tantek: another idea, without CR
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sandro
.. drop SHOULD from name
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ben_thatmustbeme
sandro, i was going to cover that too
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sandro
.. say consumers that need some kind of fallback name
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sandro
.. should use the .summary property
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sandro
.. and say publishers, if you don't provide a name, you SHOULD provide a plaintext .summary
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sandro
.. In my experience, the situations where you don't provide a name
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sandro
.. and consumers still want a something, my exoperience and indiewebcamp experience, is summary works well for that
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sandro
.. eg a LIKE doesn't have a meaningful name, but it does have a summary which can be used in contexts that don't understand Like
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sandro
.. that works well
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sandro
.. it works in clients that don't understand this kind of reaction, but understand reactions in general
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tantek
<tantek> +1 with use as "summary" for fallback text since that seems to work, and does not require adding a new term (thus does not require a new CR)
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sandro
.. I'm advocating for this, that this doesn't need a new CR
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sandro
.. would this break any existing implementations?
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Zakim
sees ben_thatmustbeme, sandro, cwebber on the speaker queue
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sandro
.. I'm trying to find a way to keep the funcationlity people want, in a way that folks have seen working
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sandro
eprodrom: sounds like a solid proposal, I like it
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sandro
.. only objection I might have is
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cwebber2
q+ to say it would be fine, but explain I think it'll still result in a new CR though
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Zakim
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rhiaro
q+ to ask if we'd have to kick html out of summary for this to work?
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Zakim
sees ben_thatmustbeme, sandro, cwebber, rhiaro on the speaker queue
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tantek
is guilty of putting multiple paragraphs in a "name" property
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sandro
.. the name/title slot typically has max six words, but in some cases, the summary might be several sentences long. An Abstract or TL;DR type thing.
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sandro
.. that's my only concern here
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sandro
tantek: I agree that's a real case
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rhiaro
I can hear tantek and eprodrom just fine
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cwebber2
could heard tantek
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eprodrom
Did I just fall off the call, or did tantek?
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eprodrom
I think it was me
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eprodrom
I'm going to call back in either way, since I can't hear.
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sandro
.. but in all the cases where there's a longer article, there's a name provided in practice.
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sandro
.. I think
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eprodrom
tantek: would you mind chairing for 5 minutes while I reconnect?
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sandro
.. When summary is longer, there tends to be a meaningful name
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sandro
.. Also, it's possible for people to provide really long names anyway
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rhiaro
If summary is long, the consumer knows they're allowed to truncate it, since it's sthe fallback
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sandro
.. Maybe provide guidances, saying .name and .summary MIGHT be long
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Zakim
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cwebber2
eprodrom ?
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Zakim
sees ben_thatmustbeme, cwebber, rhiaro on the speaker queue
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tantek
chair: tantek
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tantek
ack ben_thatmustbeme
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Zakim
ben_thatmustbeme, you wanted to ask about SHOULD / MUST of fallbackName
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Zakim
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sandro
ben_thatmustbeme: in either case, whether we use fallbackName or .summary, is it a MUST or a SHOULD?
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cwebber2
-1 on MUST
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sandro
tantek: Yes, if there's no name provided, summary becomes a SHOULD. SHOULD is strong enough, doesn't need to be MUST, because we might get empty summary values.
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cwebber2
it's just fallback text, if someone doesn't have it, it's hot a *huge* deal
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eprodrom
back
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sandro
.. this keeps a smaller change.
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eprodrom
name -> summary -> "an object"
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sandro
ben_thatmustbeme: If .name isn't present, the publisher SHOULD provide a .summary
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sandro
tantek:Right, but we should also give guidance in case both are missing.
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sandro
.. that's a possible thing in the real world.
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sandro
sandro: The test suite should have an entry missing both\
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tantek
eprod I would be ok with that
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sandro
eprodrom: it does now
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Zakim
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tantek
eprodrom, I would be ok with something like that up to the consumer (localization etc.)
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eprodrom
ack cwebber
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Zakim
cwebber, you wanted to say it would be fine, but explain I think it'll still result in a new CR though
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tantek
chair: eprodrom
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Zakim
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sandro
cwebber2: I'm fine with .summary, and I'm against MUST, as we discussed in F2F
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tantek
+1 cwebber2
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sandro
.. I want to raise a Devil's Advocate argument
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sandro
.. if we move the SHOULD, that still might need a new CR
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sandro
.. if BigBlueHat were here, he'd argue that SHOULD's aren't normative
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sandro
tantek: It's not that SHOULD's arent normative, it's about new features, and breaking implementations.
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sandro
.. so if implementations do something different, then you'd need a normative change in response
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rhiaro
It means that most of my activities don't have summary..
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sandro
.. case by case
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sandro
rhiaro -- or a name?
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rhiaro
sandro: aye
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eprodrom
q?
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Zakim
sees rhiaro on the speaker queue
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sandro
tantek: If we think this is compatible with implemnentations, it should be okay
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sandro
cwebber2: Let's check with James
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rhiaro
..maybe it's fine
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Zakim
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ben_thatmustbeme
is a little concerned we wait for james a little too often on things
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sandro
eprodrom: No, we don't need to wait for James. He's aware of our schedule.
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tantek
jasnell can raise an issue based on this conclusion if he wants and we can consider that if/when that happens
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tantek
+1 eprodrom
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sandro
eprodrom: This is in the spirit of what we agreed at the F2F
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eprodrom
q?
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Zakim
sees rhiaro on the speaker queue
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cwebber2
+1 sounds good
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eprodrom
ack rhiaro
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Zakim
rhiaro, you wanted to ask if we'd have to kick html out of summary for this to work?
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Zakim
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eprodrom
!!
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sandro
rhiaro: This all sounds good. I'm fine using .summary this way. Great to have it not considered a normative change.
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sandro
.. what about Markup, though
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sandro
sandro: name does not have markup, but summary does ?
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sandro
eprodrom: leave it as is
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sandro
sandro: advice to implementors?
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eprodrom
PROPOSED: name -> MAY, summary -> SHOULD, add section on string representation of object
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tantek
not sure if that made it through
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tantek
summary is a SHOULD *only* in the absence of name
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tantek
don't want a general SHOULD on summary
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eprodrom
PROPOSED: name -> MAY, summary -> SHOULD if no name, add section on string representation of object
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rhiaro
Also there was that thing about keeping it required for Article ..?
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tantek
and informative consumer guidance on what to do with too long of a name/summary or if both are empty
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sandro
sandro: yes, but that doesn't address markup
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tantek
summary -> SHOULD be there and be plain text if no name
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sandro
sandro: would be say something like: when you're using summary as a backup name, it's okay to strip out the markup.
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sandro
eprodrom: Yes, non-normative advice.
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sandro
sandro: I'm concerned stripping markup might change semantics
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sandro
eprodrom: okay to leave the markup, too
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Zakim
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Zakim
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rhiaro
q+ to say I feel like cases where it might change the semantics are probably 'name' cases
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Zakim
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eprodrom
q?
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Zakim
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Zakim
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tantek
oops disconnected, reconnecting
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sandro
eprodrom: I'd note that summary has markup
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cwebber2
welllll
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tantek
sandro no
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sandro
sandro: I think we said name needs to work without markup, so fallback name does too
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Zakim
sees no one on the speaker queue
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tantek
implementations of Atom etc. already drop markup from 'name' or 'summary' when displaying
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cwebber2
that doesn't mean that summary renders in the same way as name...
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tantek
so no this is not an issue in practice
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cwebber2
taking markup out of summary seems bad
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rhiaro
I think it's fine saying if publisher is using summary as a fallback, SHOULD NOT have markup
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sandro
sandro: Tantek, you're saying it's well know, even if not in spec, that markup might be stripped from sumary
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cwebber2
-1 on taking markup out of summary, +0 on permitting stripping markup from summary (though depending on markup, that might not always be easy)
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sandro
tantek --- no sound
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tantek
implementations already do it (consuming code removes markup from name / summary in Atom)
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tantek
sandro I am still disconnected, attempting dialing
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wilkie
the biggest dependency I've had in implementations is libxml which is a troublesome dependency to support on many machines. I only need it to strip HTML out, which I do 100% of the time.
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tantek
right
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rhiaro
gets distracted by thoughts of waffles
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sandro
eprodrom: consumer can do anything, so no point in saying they can strip markup
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rhiaro
is going to write an as2 consumer that changes every word to waffles
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sandro
.. maybe advice against markup in summary when used as fallback
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rhiaro
That sounds good to me
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ben_thatmustbeme
rhiaro make a 'hodor' version too :P
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sandro
-1 eprodrom consumers can do whatever they want
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cwebber2
I want waffles
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cwebber2
shoulda /me'ed that one
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wilkie
will write an as2 producer that makes every key 'waffles' hopefully postel's law can keep up
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cwebber2
glad to get desire for waffles on the record
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cwebber2
notes that we're waffling a lot on this issue
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rhiaro
"why is this on the agenda?" -> 50 minute discussion
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eprodrom
PROPOSED: name -> MAY, plaintext summary -> SHOULD if no name, add section on string representation of object
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sandro
tantek: Also informative guidance on both being too big or empty
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wilkie
HTML in fields are good if I can just ignore them completely if I'm likely going to strip the HTML and can't rely on preserving the intended representation
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eprodrom
PROPOSED: name -> MAY, summary -> SHOULD if no name, add section on string representation of object including informative guidance on name or summary being very long
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sandro
.. because we have thoguht about
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ben_thatmustbeme
PROPOSED: change name to may, if no name, SHOULD provide a plaintext summary, add a sectino on string representation, add guidance to the fact that summary or name may be too long
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aaronpk
haha I type "functino" all the time
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Loqi
aaronpk: lol
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eprodrom
PROPOSED: change name to may, if no name, SHOULD provide a plaintext summary, add a section on string representation, add guidance to the fact that summary or name may be too long
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cwebber2
flips a bikeshed
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eprodrom
+1
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sandro
(okay with "very long)
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ben_thatmustbeme
very long is fine too
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ben_thatmustbeme
didn't tantek want "or both may be empty"
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tantek
+1 ok with s/too/very, and ok adding guidance on if both name & summary are empty
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rhiaro
This is just the text of the proposal, not what will go in the spec, it's okay ;P
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eprodrom
RESOLVED: change name to may, if no name, SHOULD provide a plaintext summary, add a section on string representation, add guidance to the fact that summary or name may be too long
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cwebber2
suggests we all bike down to veggie galaxy, park our bikes in the bikeshed, and get some waffles
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rhiaro
good work team, good resolution
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rhiaro
+1 cwebber2
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sandro
topic: AS2 Validator
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sandro
eprodrom: plan to have new version for F2F
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sandro
.. patches welcome
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rhiaro
Thanks!
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sandro
topic: pubsub.rocks
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sandro
aaronpk: pubsub.rocks now has test tool for publishers and subscribers
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sandro
aaronpk++
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Loqi
aaronpk has 67 karma in this channel (1137 overall)
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sandro
aaronpk: next step is if you're building a hub
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sandro
.. that'll build implementation report
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eprodrom
q?
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Zakim
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ben_thatmustbeme
just to note, there are a bunch of new implementation reports for webmention https://webmention.net/implementation-reports/summary/
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tantek
pubsubrocks++ !
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Loqi
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Loqi
aaronpk has 68 karma in this channel (1138 overall)
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sandro
aaronpk: likely hub test tool will be done next week, but maybe not submitting results
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sandro
eprodrom, Any other business?
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ben_thatmustbeme
just to note, there are a bunch of new implementation reports for webmention https://webmention.net/implementation-reports/summary/
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Zakim
sees rhiaro on the speaker queue
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rhiaro
q+ to note pubsub name change on wiki
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eprodrom
ack rhiaro
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Zakim
rhiaro, you wanted to note pubsub name change on wiki
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Zakim
sees no one on the speaker queue
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tantek
any leaders?
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cwebber2
votes wafflepub
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ben_thatmustbeme
hahaha cwebber2++
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tantek
going to be a close call, vote for your pubsub bikeshedding today!!!
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annbass
thanks Sandro and Evan!
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eprodrom
trackbot, stop meeting
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trackbot
Sorry, eprodrom, I don't understand 'trackbot, stop meeting'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
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ben_thatmustbeme
bikeshedhub?
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rhiaro
bikeshedwaffles?
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sandro
eprodrom: Thanks everyone, see everyone at F2F Thursday
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eprodrom
trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim
As of this point the attendees have been annbass, rhiaro, aaronpk, tsyesika, eprodrom, sandro, ben_thatmustbeme, cwebber, tantek
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trackbot
Zakim, list attendees
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trackbot
is ending a teleconference.
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trackbot
RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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RRSAgent
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/11/08-social-minutes.html trackbot
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trackbot
RRSAgent, bye
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RRSAgent
I see no action items
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tantek
indieweb.org/2016/MIT2
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rhiaro
looks like it works
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wilkie
was late due to voting etc etc. did we decide to rename PuSH "VeggieGalaxy" ?
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tantek
I see it!
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tantek
veggiegalaxy++
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Loqi
veggiegalaxy has 2 karma
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tantek
sorry
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tantek
oh not me then
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tantek
eprodrom: ?
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eprodrom
I'm leaning toward "TubShrub"
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eprodrom
I guess an improvement would be making the number of words random between 2-4
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tantek
eprodrom: yes!
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tantek
what's the thing the ewoks say? YubYub!
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tantek
ooh it subscribed to me!
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wilkie
or what the Orcs in Warcraft say: Zug Zug
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tantek
one moment!
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tantek
about to hit Publish
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tantek
clicked Publish
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tantek
neat!
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tantek
right I PuSH my home page :P
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rhiaro
hangs up
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ben_thatmustbeme
doesn't talky.io do that though
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csarven
What happened to Firefox's 'Hello' video thing?
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aaronpk
yes but talky.io starts breaking down once you have a bunch of participants
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csarven
Is it dropped?
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csarven
I really liked that.. the fact that it worked quite well.
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tantek
csarven: we dropped it :(
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csarven
and was just thinking if they had a screenshare that worked just like it, it'd be awesome.
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csarven
Oh.. that's too bad. I thought it was great.
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tantek
too much dependency on a certain unnamed telcom provider to provide "discovery" :(
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tantek
csarven: agreed
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tantek
we should have done the whole thing in-house
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sandro
ben_thatmustbeme, I have two rooms reserved 32-312 and 32-D407. Each are 12-14 people max. I'll take a look and pick between them. I could get a larger room until 4pm, but these days it's not set up with tables.
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sandro
as I recall, 312 has windows to outside, and a board-room feel. 407 in a generic interior conference room.
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ben_thatmustbeme
i think i remember 407, it was pretty hot in there with only a few people
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rhiaro
is looking forward to Veggie Galaxy
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rhiaro
I am always hungry after this call
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rhiaro
Not ideal at 4am
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sandro
I'll bring a fan or two to work, in case we have heat issues
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rhiaro
In Boston in November?
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rhiaro
Heat issues sounds nice.
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rhiaro
(Tokyo is freezing. My plan for skipping winter this year has so far not come to fruition)
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Zakim
excuses himself; his presence no longer seems to be needed
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Loqi
blows Zakim a kiss
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KjetilK
rhiaro, what? Skipping the funniest season...?
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KjetilK
Especially if you have kids, or you're a kid. :-)
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KjetilK
We got 35 cm of snow the other day, so I spent most of the weekend sledding with the kids
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KjetilK
Bruised my butt badly is I crashed into a tree, and then decided it would be more fun for everyone if I tumbled into the snow, so I threw myself over, but there was something under that snow that was hard...
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KjetilK
big giggles, though :-)
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